Control of multiple characters in OP Battles. - English

#35 Added by Beeficus 1 decade ago [en]

3 seperate OP battles on the same night. 4 hours of non stop fighting. Those characters all moved on top of each other following him. They moved as one for the entire duration. Several times when I would attack one of Yakapos alts they would all target me simultaneously and I would instantly die. This kind of coordination can be a coincidence once or twice, but not repeatedly. There is no doubt by anyone on the Kara side of this battle that at very least Yakapo and Nitrouss were using 3rd party software to control several characters. It was with the use of these 2 groups that TI were able to win the battles. Without them the Karavan side had the upper hand. This is not the first OP this has been seen to happen at.

We are not simply complaining for the sake of it, or because we were defeated. We are complaining because our tickets have been ignored and TI continue to use this advantage to control every battle.

I want to see a response. What do we need to do to get the CSR's to take this seriously?

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#36 Added by Amnesia(arispotle) 1 decade ago [en]

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You need undeniable proof of your claim.

If i'm having let's say 2 PCS and jamming (repeatedly pressing) the key assigned to the above mentioned macro than me and my alt will seem to be what you call Yaka's Alt. ie. Both of my toons will follow him around like a puppy, adn when he targets someone i target and fire too.

See the flaw in your claim? Just because you see them follow him everywhere and target at the same time as he and his alts don't make my 2 toons his alt being controlled by 3rd party software.

But so far all i seen was accusation not a single shred of proof was presented.

Tell you what. You present undeniable proof here on the forums and make a poll to take whatever action, and get votes. If your proof is undeniable i'm sure lot's of Kamis will vote for taking action and that includs me. But the proof have to be solid and undeniable. Till than it's just talk and can be proven the opposit of your accusation.

#37 Added by Amnesia(arispotle) 1 decade ago [en]

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You know, i often use the macro above mentioned in OP battles because like that it's a nobrainer and while the OP battle is going on i can watch a movie or 2 and just have to keep pressing the button on the key-borad(s)

#38 Added by Beeficus 1 decade ago [en]

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I am calling for a public response from the CSR team on the issue of 3rd party software being used in OP battles to control alts.

The questions at hand are: Is this a violation of the rules? Will action be taken against those who violate the rule if one still exists? What evidence and how much of it must be provided for such action to be taken?

If the CSR team will not provide answers to these questions or will not take action I would ask that the rule be abolished so that both factions can abuse the use of alts/account sharing and 3rd party software so that at least we have a fighting chance to defend ourselves before more players are lost.

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#39 Added by Crailus 1 decade ago [en]

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you're denying what you know to be the truth and many kami's would not vote fairly, obviously including you. Evidence has been presented to the CSRs, there is no need for a kami jury to decide on the matter.

#40 Added by Amnesia(arispotle) 1 decade ago [en]

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Just admit it there is NO evidence. Just talk. What makes you think i can't vote fairly? Just because you can't it don't mean others can't. And nobody said that ONLY Kamis would be voting....

If your clains are true, and Karas would have had the upper hand that means there are more Karas than Kamis, are you afraid that if it came down to it your "evidence" would not hold?

#41 Added by Ciliana 1 decade ago [en]

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#42 Added by Beeficus 1 decade ago [en]

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The only flaw in my claim is that you expect undeniable proof to be presented publicly before you will acknowledge the existance of a valid claim.

The simple fact is that you are biased in this subject or else you would have stopped arguing and accepted that we asking for a CSR response. Giving you personally no room to argue with the claim will not achieve anything. We need results and you cannot provide them. Once the CSR team states here what exactly we need to provide with our tickets for some sort of investigation or action to be taken we will do it.

If there is no possible way to prove the use of 3rd party software that would be sufficient enough to warrant action, we should all be made aware of this so that we can all abuse it. Simply ignoring our tickets, screenshots, fraps and refusing to attend an OP to see for themselves is just not good enough.

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#43 Added by Amnesia(arispotle) 1 decade ago [en]

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I can tell you some of things right here.... Fuzzyfeet is Khandoma's Alt, Keeblerelf is Yaka's wife and Monje is a different player altogether.... So those aren't "Bots". The Proof you provided prooves the opposite of what you claim sorry.

#44 Added by Crailus 1 decade ago [en]

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You seem to be getting thicker. it doesn't matter if these are not Yakapo's and Nitrouss' alt accounts, just that they are account sharing and USING these toons as their healbots.

#45 Added by Amnesia(arispotle) 1 decade ago [en]

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You see. You are stating a claim, and want CSR to take action. Now if they take action they might ban all the accounts that are Claimed to be controlled by 3rd party software. I'm defending myself here because i too was accused on several accounts that i too was controlled by such, and i do not want to be banned. Do you see my point in argueing against this whole thing?

You 1-2 players may say that " Yes we know you are no bot" etc, but those who accused me will not and if action will be taken i too can get banned. So i argue my point till it is clear that there is a way to play and it may seem like botting but in fact it's being lazy and using macros.

The other solution i can recomend and that would ultimately eliminate the possibility of botting in such a way or definatly would make it a lot more difficult is by removing macros from game. No macros no Alts, no botting.

#46 Added by Beeficus 1 decade ago [en]

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All of these characters are being used as alts. Amnesia your assist macro explanation has one serious flaw.

That macro will only perform one action repeatedly. It cannot switch between bomb healing, ressing, and nuking depending on what yakapo is doing at any given time.

3rd party software is being used. There is no basis for reasonable doubt. You are providing explanations that are extremely unlikely at the very best. Your refusal to admit even the possibilty that investigation is needed is not based on a lack of evidence or reasonable doubt. Either you know rules are being broken and you refuse to admit it or you are completely closed to the possibility.

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#47 Added by Ciliana 1 decade ago [en]

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#48 Added by Amnesia(arispotle) 1 decade ago [en]

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I never said i have only 1 Macro.

A Follow macro hit second time will make you stop. hit a second key to do the target of target spell cast macro. another key to heal hp/sap or hp/hp or hp/stam. i can assign upto 9 such macros to the keypad keys and hit them with ease when needed while watching a movie. I done it and i know it can be done. That don't mean that i shared my log in info or that i'm botting.

#49 Added by Beeficus 1 decade ago [en]

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No, Amnesia, the use of macros by several players does not explain what we have seen. At best if it is true it would absolve 2 or 3 of the people following and healing and nuking in unison but the characters admitted to be alts of Nitrouss and Yakapo are still working in unison, which is impossible without 4 or 5 computers and 4 or 5 hands to press the keys repeatedly.

Your explanations cannot explain how they are doing this. The best you can say is the ludicrous claim that TI have 20 or more people willing to log into alts and follow specific players around using macros rather than fighting for themselves on their own characters and moving independantly.

You are just arguing with us because of your own personal bias and if you were honest with yourself you know that there is a real need for investigation here. Offering increasingly unlikely explanations of how they might only look like they are cheating but really are not is just silly. If you cant admit that we have a valid claim please stop posting.

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