Control of multiple characters in OP Battles. - English

#25 Added by Agoraphobia 1 decade ago [en]

Stop this nonsense! Grow up! Both of you!

#26 Added by Beeficus 1 decade ago [en]

This is not a "Kami is best, Kara is best" topic. This is a specific complaint about the rules of the game being broken and the gained advantage being used by one specific guild to control the outcome of every battle and directly control the ownership of OP's.

The CSR's have shown a complete unwillingness to enforce this particular rule. Turning the forum topic into a flamefest will not make the issue go away. Either contribute or do not, but so far all you have said is: "They could be other players using assist and follow", "Karavans do it too", "Karavans only ever complain", "Kamis good Karavans bad".

If you are trolling in an attempt to get this thread deleted, please stop. Either contribute to the topic or stay out of it.

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#27 Added by Crailus 1 decade ago [en]

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I'm sure we wouldnt speak ill being on the winning side with all the bots. Must be really fun over there.

Agoraphobia, you'll probably go kami and be on the cheating side anyways, but please stay out of what you don't understand yet.

#28 Added by Amnesia(arispotle) 1 decade ago [en]

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I agree Beffie.

When TPM was around did the exact same thing and also other things such as having a member not tag up and others target off of him. That is worst.

I apologise for trying to defend myself by being called Yaka's Alt several times.

Edited 2 times | Last edited by Amnesia(arispotle) (1 decade ago)

#29 Added by Crailus 1 decade ago [en]

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Amnesia, no one is saying you're an alt, or all kami's are alts. We all know who the alts are and it's not about alts, its about botting and 3rd party programs. Something something darkside...

Last edited by Crailus (1 decade ago) | Reason: removed direct accusations.

#30 Added by Beeficus 1 decade ago [en]

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TPM are no longer with us, and they have not won any OP battles (apart from a contraversial one that we will not go into here). I myself in the past have attempted to use 3rd party software to control my alts but as I was made aware this is against the rules I halted my attempts.

I am still indirectly accused of botting because I use alts to dig. I dont care. Noone in this thread has accused you of being a bot driven alt, Amnesia. Im sorry you have been accused of that just as I am sorry I have been accused of botting, but these are personal issues and are unrelated to this topic, as is TPM since they are inactive.

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#31 Added by Amnesia(arispotle) 1 decade ago [en]

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YOU know i'm not an ALT, but believe me when i say that i have been accused of being an alt and controlled by some program outside of Ryzom. Not once or twice. So every time this comes up i defend myself and others that are actual players and not alts. Neither Yaka nor Nitrouss has 8-9 Alts as the original post was saying " Being targeted by more than 8 and blasted all at once. So that is saying that all those are ALTs. So Yaka and 4 Alts is 5 than the other 3+ who are players are being called ALTs now.

#32 Added by Crailus 1 decade ago [en]

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Okay, Yaka + 4 alts = 5, PLUS 2 or 3 actual TI members who he is using as heal bots. = 7-8

#33 Added by Beeficus 1 decade ago [en]

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At the most recent OP battle Yakapo was controlling himself and 7 other characters. If he does not have 7 alts then he is using other peoples, but for the purposes of the main complaint (3rd party software to control many characters at once) they will be referred to as his alts.

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#34 Added by Amnesia(arispotle) 1 decade ago [en]

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What makes you think he is controlling those others as well? He was accused to controll me too when i was using the above mentioned macro and was too busy fighting instead of replying to tells that kept popping up asking if i was real or alt. I got so many at once of those tells that i just ignored them. So does that make me an Alt now?

#35 Added by Beeficus 1 decade ago [en]

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3 seperate OP battles on the same night. 4 hours of non stop fighting. Those characters all moved on top of each other following him. They moved as one for the entire duration. Several times when I would attack one of Yakapos alts they would all target me simultaneously and I would instantly die. This kind of coordination can be a coincidence once or twice, but not repeatedly. There is no doubt by anyone on the Kara side of this battle that at very least Yakapo and Nitrouss were using 3rd party software to control several characters. It was with the use of these 2 groups that TI were able to win the battles. Without them the Karavan side had the upper hand. This is not the first OP this has been seen to happen at.

We are not simply complaining for the sake of it, or because we were defeated. We are complaining because our tickets have been ignored and TI continue to use this advantage to control every battle.

I want to see a response. What do we need to do to get the CSR's to take this seriously?

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#36 Added by Amnesia(arispotle) 1 decade ago [en]

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You need undeniable proof of your claim.

If i'm having let's say 2 PCS and jamming (repeatedly pressing) the key assigned to the above mentioned macro than me and my alt will seem to be what you call Yaka's Alt. ie. Both of my toons will follow him around like a puppy, adn when he targets someone i target and fire too.

See the flaw in your claim? Just because you see them follow him everywhere and target at the same time as he and his alts don't make my 2 toons his alt being controlled by 3rd party software.

But so far all i seen was accusation not a single shred of proof was presented.

Tell you what. You present undeniable proof here on the forums and make a poll to take whatever action, and get votes. If your proof is undeniable i'm sure lot's of Kamis will vote for taking action and that includs me. But the proof have to be solid and undeniable. Till than it's just talk and can be proven the opposit of your accusation.

#37 Added by Amnesia(arispotle) 1 decade ago [en]

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You know, i often use the macro above mentioned in OP battles because like that it's a nobrainer and while the OP battle is going on i can watch a movie or 2 and just have to keep pressing the button on the key-borad(s)

#38 Added by Beeficus 1 decade ago [en]

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I am calling for a public response from the CSR team on the issue of 3rd party software being used in OP battles to control alts.

The questions at hand are: Is this a violation of the rules? Will action be taken against those who violate the rule if one still exists? What evidence and how much of it must be provided for such action to be taken?

If the CSR team will not provide answers to these questions or will not take action I would ask that the rule be abolished so that both factions can abuse the use of alts/account sharing and 3rd party software so that at least we have a fighting chance to defend ourselves before more players are lost.

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#39 Added by Crailus 1 decade ago [en]

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you're denying what you know to be the truth and many kami's would not vote fairly, obviously including you. Evidence has been presented to the CSRs, there is no need for a kami jury to decide on the matter.

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