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Because its not just 2 of us with concerns. Karavan is losing players because of a growing perception of indifference. A public response is the only thing that can put that to rest. Over the last month or 2 I have seen and heard an awful lot of "Tickets have been sent, dont bother", "CSR's dont care, dont bother", "If theres an OP involved they dont want to know". Im not saying I believe any of it but this is the perception that is causing a lot of people to stop showing up at OP's and thats not good for either of us.

Would just like the simple question answered publicly not just for myself, or my guild, or my friends, but for anyone with similar concerns. That extends to those people who have accused me of using 3rd party software or botting. If Mokoi can tell us what kind of evidence is needed to get further investigation, those people can send me a tell and ill let them know when and where ill be digging so that they too can gather evidence.

First reasonable explanation I have seen for how your group looks on our side, and a very calm response from someone who has been openly accused of cheating. Would also be very easy for CSRs to determine whether that is the case or not. I dont know about everyone else but its good enough for me. I withdraw my earlier accusation.

I would still like to see a response from Mokoi about what is or is not accepted in a ticket as evidence when someone is suspected of using 3rd party software.

I was suggesting exactly that, yes. You guys started this drama thread, CSRs didn't see fit to close it, so now, tired of unmitigated crying, I want to have fun and poke at the "idiocrity" running rampant through this thread.

You get your panties in a wad whenever you start losing outposts, or die in PR, or lose in PvP, or in any situation where you don't win. You act no better than spoiled, self-absorbed, entitled children who can't accept that you're not always the best at everything. In that light, when it's not possible for someone to be "better" than you, anyone who DOES happen to beat you must be cheating. Get over yourselves.


No, I wasn't implying anything of the sort. I'm directly stating that 1) It's possible (likely) they're just better than you, and 2) It's possible (likely) that they have learned how to set up their gaming environments to out-perform you.

If I was implying anything, I was implying that you have to have VERY good evidence to prove that they aren't capable of doing this manually. I was also supplying reasonable doubt, which at least in the United States is enough to acquit someone from murder charges. This is just a game (remember? game?)

This thread didn't start asking Mokoi for clarification. It started with some alt dragging Yaka and Nit out in front of the court of public opinion and asking for people to comment (ie: drama), convicting them so that CSR had very little they had to do but ban them. This thread should have been closed at that time for trolling and drama, but maybe the CSRs wanted a chuckle too, like the rest of us.

is Idioticry a word? if it isnt it should be :) (there that is some real trolling for you)

Interesting response. I would like to point out that you are directing this at an entire faction and condemning our concerns as nonsense because of something you may have read from someone else in the past. I did not start this thread but I clearly stated my specific concerns, and what I wanted which was clarification from CSR's throughout my posts.

You would do well to keep your head in the future. I have been repeatedly trolled and flamed for voicing my concerns and have not trolled, flamed or harrassed anyone in return. Outbursts like your previous posts and Amnesias most recent post really say more about yourselves than the people they are directed at. If you are going to use real life similes like reasonable doubt in a murder trial, your comments here can be likened to a series of offensive racial slurs.

In the future if you are going to respond to my posts, please do so without your prejudice against my faction and read my words as they are written, not as you think they might be intended.

GOD-LIKE SYNCHRONIZATION.
You're argument is invalid.
:)

I once again, stand corrected.

not really on topic, but I dont see how they could prove it after thinking about it. the only way they could is to put in something that monitors what keys you physiccally hit on your keyboard and I am pretty sure that is illegal. as it could be used to find out all sorts of things I dont want them knowing, such as passwords to other things.

It would be a simple matter to check server logs to determine if all the characters shown to be following one player were each logged in from seperate IP's, and if they are the same as the IP's those accounts are regularly logged from.

Not completely fool-proof but its one way.

Anyway, I will bow out of this thread now as the original point has been addressed, Mokoi has responded, and the argument seems to pretty much have been put to rest. I am satisfied that my claims of cheating could very well have been wrong, and I apologise. I hope its enough for everyone else who is concerned as well.

And what about my House where my Wife and Sister log in from?

Yakapo is my brother, and i play on my laptop from his house quite often, does that mean that i shouldn't be able to dig with my CP slave and Yakapo and Keeblerelf doing things aswell? What about when my niece plays on her toon? This isn't a full-proof system and could be easily mistaken.

hmm suppose so, if they did a long term trend. I actually do have RL friends who play that I go visit and play on my lappy sometimes

*laugh* That thread was a fun read on the EVE-O forums. It was blown out of proportion even more than this one, though there the crying there tended to be a slightly higher level. Thanks for reminding me of that picture =)


You can detect key-sharing software, though the inherent latency between France and the civilized world does make it difficult. For a botting program to be sufficiently random to evade detection, it would have to become at least equal, but likely inferior, to human behaviour. Then it's less of a problem and more like something to ridicule, since you might as well do it yourself at that point.

And WoW's Warden shows that companies can put quite a lot into software as long as you agree to install it. For better or worse. They would need to be VERY certain they only touch data related to their game and enforcing specifics about their acceptable use policies to avoid lawsuits.

If such detection doesn't exist for Ryzom already, developers would need to discuss the benefits of such functionality versus the cost of development time, and decide if it's worth implementing. Or, just come up with a way to receive the same benefits of outposts yet not pit player vs player, since it seems some just can't handle that kind of pressure.


That would really only address account sharing, a completely different topic than your drama thread, and not very well. But boy howdy would THAT be enlightening (on both sides) =)

(hmm, quickly, before Lili invalidates my argument again)

Beeficus, in the future, if you are going to make a post, please refrain from bring the same old drama to this forum time and time again. If you can come up with something new and invigorating, that would be a refreshing change and something worthy of reading, but repeatedly crying about the same topics, generally pvp-related, again and again is old. Even my foray into this thread, intended to be fun, is less enjoyable and more like having to smack the animal because it peed on the floor.

You yourself admitted that you were trying to publicly force the CSRs to bend to your will by raising this drama thread. You weren't asking for clarification until after the drama explosion you were seeking, which still didn't work. In the future, if you are going to make a post, please refrain from doing this. You would also do well to remember that saying the same false thing over and over again doesn't suddenly make it true.

So certain of TI's guilt were you, yet you backed down instantly after learning a tactic they use. Maybe you can take that tactic (and other related things) and perform better at future battles. In the future, if you are going to make a post and your intent is to learn new tactics, just ask instead of trying to start drama.

Cooperation is how enjoyment of the game rises. When you don't know something, you ask and learn. You would do well to remember that there is always someone out there who knows something you do not, and to accept that maybe, just maybe, you're not number one.

You would also do well to follow your own advice, and not put words in my (or anyone else's) mouth. "In the future if you are going to respond to my posts, please read my words as they are written, not as you think they might be intended".

Perhaps you'd stop hemorrhaging guild members and officers, and perhaps other guilds would be more inclined to work with you, if you treated them like equals, and fellow players, rather than subjects to carry out your whims who dare not question your actions and decisions or suggest that you do anything differently. People don't take kindly to attempts at manipulation, such as the way you've attempted to manipulate the CSRs and other posters in this thread. People also like to think that their questions, comments, and concerns are listened to, instead of ignored.


Now, all that aside, you know what TI wants? They may not tell you this, but from the time that I spend around them and talking with them, they want fun and exciting battles. Do you know the two battles I've heard them nerdgasming over the most? The loss at Ginti and when you guys pushed Loria to a defense. Your initial push at Loria was awesome, but then you fell apart.

People who PvP because they enjoy it like to win, sure, but more important is the battle itself, regardless of who wins or loses. A loss in a well-fought game is far more enjoyable than curb-stomping your opponent. It wouldn't surprise me if Yaka told you what he did because he wanted you guys to try to improve a little bit, to make it a little more exciting for everyone. (Some people like the added challenge of controlling multiple characters, and the extra rush it causes, and some don't)

It's a game, it's meant to be something fun and enjoyable. It's not a job, it's not something that will raise or lower oil prices around the world. It's not something you get your knickers in a bunch over. Lose the sense of entitlement, lose the "uptightness", and play the game as a game, something you win sometimes and something you lose sometimes, but the overall goal is to just have fun.

Erizon, sorry didnt read, dont want to argue anymore hence bowing out of the thread.

Lil, Yaka, I did say it wasnt fool-proof, just offered Garla one possibility. Wasnt suggesting that should be the sole way to determine use of 3rd party software. Your explanations did satisfy me and I wont bring this subject up again.