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#111 Added by Garuth(arispotle) 1 decade ago [en] 

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think it might fit C, but I would think that was more a bot thing for gaining skills while afk. assuming instruction means experience

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#112 Added by Beeficus 1 decade ago [en] 

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I think (b) could also apply :P

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#113 Added by Klarity(arispotle) 1 decade ago [en] 

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Argue whatever side you want, but for the benefit of the newer players, these are the facts:

10-12 months ago we had a flame fest about this SAME topic. Finally the CSRs stepped into the post and stated that multi-boxing was fine, but using a single keystroke to invoke action in multiple characters was illegal. It didn't matter whether software or hardware was used. Multi-boxing was only legal if the player pushed a separate keystroke for each character. The result of this ruling was that many players were unhappy and temporarily left the game:
Nitrouss 9 months ago
We are all playing rift, over 1 million accounts on head start launch day, you can find us on Keenblade PvE server, they allow multiboxing and use of multiboxing programs :D

Perhaps the developers came to regret a ruling which cost them subscription revenues. Certainly they have been conspicuously absent and non-committal this time around. I can no longer find that prior multi-boxing post containing the developers ruling.

#114 Added by Klarity(arispotle) 1 decade ago [en] 

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Your safest bet is to assume that Rzyom is the wild west and there is no law here. When was the last time anyone was banned for anything? Just play and have fun.

#115 Added by Amnesia(arispotle) 1 decade ago [en] 

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Beeficus
I really dont care about anything but getting the answers that will stop more players from leaving.

I can say one thing about this. Stop being a jerk. All you do is badmouth everyone. I have NEVER heard you say One nice thing about anyone. Let it be Kara, Kami or CSR. You keep demanding stuff and badmouthing everyone.
No wonder nobody likes you.... Your own guildies don't like you they tolerate you because you been playing Ryzom for a while that is the sad truth of it.

Zipp it sit in a corner and do your foraging with your 4 Bots.

#116 Added by Mokoi(arispotle) 1 decade ago [en] 

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To those of you new to Ryzom:
You can have as many accounts and (alt)ernate characters as you like.
It is forbidden to use technology that assists in playing the game unattended.
It is forbidden to use technology that can make auto keying, or spreading keypresses into multibox/clients.
Back in January 2011 Yumeroh (Head of Support and Community Manager) made this statement here

On provision of evidence that players have breached these game rules will be (and have been) sanctioned.
Evidence ,Judgements and sanctions are all confidential.

Last edited by Mokoi(arispotle) (1 decade ago)

#117 Added by Beeficus 1 decade ago [en] 

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Amnesia
Beeficus
I really dont care about anything but getting the answers that will stop more players from leaving.

I can say one thing about this. Stop being a jerk. All you do is badmouth everyone. I have NEVER heard you say One nice thing about anyone. Let it be Kara, Kami or CSR. You keep demanding stuff and badmouthing everyone.
No wonder nobody likes you.... Your own guildies don't like you they tolerate you because you been playing Ryzom for a while that is the sad truth of it.

Zipp it sit in a corner and do your foraging with your 4 Bots.

Just lol. :D Mind quoting me the badmouthing? Actually my Ryzom experience is limited, tho it started a while ago. For my time in TPM I achieved very little and learned very little about the game. Its only in the last 4 or 5 months that I have been active that I have actually done much in this game. This is the time I have spent in AA. I love my guildies and my only regret is that I dont have more time to spend with them :)

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#118 Added by Beeficus 1 decade ago [en] 

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Yumeroh
So any software that it can make auto keying, or spreading keypresses into multibox is forbidden and will be dealt with by our team. So if CSR have conclusive evidence, or witness such activities all accounts concerned can be subject to sanctions

Mokoi, thank you for your response, could you please clarify what will be accepted as "conclusive evidence"? This is the issue. Due to your policy of steering well clear of OP battles, CSR's have declined to show up to "witness such activities". The topic here is the alleged use of 3rd party software to control many accounts during OP battles, to gain a substantial advantage that is proving extremely difficult to overcome.

What I have seen as well as many others cannot be explained by things like "uber gaming setups". No matter how many PC's and how much you spend on them you can only press keys on so many keyboards at once without growing extra arms. We feel that If it was witnessed from our point of view it would be undeniable.

Edited 2 times | Last edited by Beeficus (1 decade ago) | Reason: Remembering my manners

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#119 Added by Ciliana 1 decade ago [en] 

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#120 Added by Gorran 1 decade ago [en] 

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Mokoi
To those of you new to Ryzom:
You can have as many accounts and (alt)ernate characters as you like.
It is forbidden to use technology that assists in playing the game unattended.
It is forbidden to use technology that can make auto keying, or spreading keypresses into multibox/clients.
Back in January 2011 Yumeroh (Head of Support and Community Manager) made this statement here

On provision of evidence that players have breached these game rules will be (and have been) sanctioned.
Evidence ,Judgements and sanctions are all confidential.

Just to clarity, one key press per client is the ruling factor then?

Last edited by Gorran (1 decade ago)

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#121 Added by Erizon(arispotle) 1 decade ago [en] 

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Beeficus
Mokoi, thank you for your response, could you please clarify what will be accepted as "conclusive evidence"? This is the issue. Due to your policy of steering well clear of OP battles, CSR's have declined to show up to "witness such activities". The topic here is the alleged use of 3rd party software to control many accounts during OP battles, to gain a substantial advantage that is proving extremely difficult to overcome.

What I have seen as well as many others cannot be explained by things like "uber gaming setups". No matter how many PC's and how much you spend on them you can only press keys on so many keyboards at once without growing extra arms. We feel that If it was witnessed from our point of view it would be undeniable.

If you have submitted your evidence, and it is not something that could be tampered with (sadly, I wouldn't discount that from some people in this game), then it will be dealt with. That doesn't mean what you believe to be conclusive and rock-solid evidence really -is- rock-solid and conclusive. It could simply be that there are players who are more capable than you are or more capable than you think possible. Try playing some Koreans in Starcraft for a good example of that.

The CSRs also have the benefit of non-interested third party, meaning they aren't emotionally charged from winning or losing outpost battles, and probably aren't interested in cats at all either. From that perspective, things can look quite different.

Unless, of course, you are claiming something else ... ? But even with that, this isn't the forum for making such claims. If you have issues with the CSRs, there's an email address (which escapes me) that you can use for complaints about CSRs.

The forums is not the way to resolve any potential rules-breaking issue. We do not live by mob rule here, and things are not decided by the court of public opinion. This is not Wall Street -- even there, you see how well that's working.

Submit your proof and accept that the CSRs are doing their jobs.
If you don't believe that to be true, take evidence of CSR misconduct or favouritism to the next level, and trust that those contacts will do their jobs.

If you STILL don't like what's happening, maybe it's not something wrong with the players, the CSRs, or the game.

Now, please, follow the rules and stop the drama.

#122 Added by Beeficus 1 decade ago [en] 

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Thank you Erizon but as you can see from the post you quoted, I have a specific question for Mokoi that requires a public answer. There is no drama in that question and its not one you are in a position to answer for him.

Everybody should be able to understand clearly what is going to be considered to be evidence conclusive enough for further action to be taken. This is not simply for the benefit of any one group, or for use against any one group. Knowing what to send with tickets will avoid in the future massive amounts of useless evidence being submitted, ignored and the perception of indifference. Therefore it is in the best interests of everyone for a clarification to be public rather than discussed privately.

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#123 Added by Erizon(arispotle) 1 decade ago [en] 

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Gorran
Just to clarity, one key press per client is the ruling factor then?

My understanding is that, generally speaking, regardless of whatever software you use, regardless of how many key-presses you make, that you must manually enter commands to each client that you are using.

For example, software that allows you to share mouse and keyboard between computers wouldn't be in violation, since you still have to push buttons or click the mouse on each client. Having multiple clients running in windowed mode on one computer is not a violation of the rules either, even if all you have displayed on each one is the action bar. Mapping extra keyboard or mouse buttons to -single- key-presses in Ryzom would also not be in violation (unconfirmed). Configuring your desktop UI so that the current window under the mouse always and immediately gains focus is also not in violation.

All of these things help the advanced player significantly speed up activities, and could be seen by the unwashed masses of mouth-breathing keyboard-turners as God-like synchronization that must be illegal.


Software that allows you to push a button on one computer or client, and have that (or any) button be pushed on another computer or client automatically is what is in violation. For example, the use of some sort of key duplication software so that when you push button "1" on your main character, it causes button "1" to be pushed on all your other characters would be against Ryzom rules (and that of most games). Mapping keys or mouse buttons outside to multiple key-presses would also be in violation.

Basically, you control each character directly, even if all you are doing is passing a mouse over a window at a very fast speed and pushing a button corresponding to a targeting macro on each one as you go by. You could probably run more than 7 or 8 clients this way and have accurate and fast control over them, if the computer itself could handle it. High-end gaming systems can handle that.

#124 Added by Beeficus 1 decade ago [en] 

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Erizon
All of these things help the advanced player significantly speed up activities, and could be seen by the unwashed masses of mouth-breathing keyboard-turners as God-like synchronization that must be illegal.

When you are complaining about other peoples posts causing drama you may consider wording your own more carefully. There is a clear difference between speed and synchronicity and suggesting that we are too unevolved to see it is just argumentative.

What you seem to be implying is that there is no possible way to prove 3rd party software use and therefor the rule is unenforceable. If that is the case I would like to hear it from Mokoi. Please keep in mind questions here are being posed to him for an official answer and your responses have not addressed them, even if you could speak on his behalf.

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#125 Added by Kwipers 1 decade ago [en] 

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Seems to me that you could have just went to Mokoi with your "questions" Beeficus/Ganix and not personally attack two people and cause drama that the CSR's are going to love going though again on a topic that has been dealt with almost a year ago.

i can tell you that the CSR's were/are doing there jobs when it comes to this, but you are not gonna believe what you read here unless its from a CSR so why even make a public post about it?
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