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From time to time differences in our server's lore and events will come to light during roleplay.
Like about Goo. So please let's talk about this for better mutual understanding. Please mind that this is purely an OOC-talk though; so our characters don't have to know or even cannot know all of this IC ;)

French players have revealed basic former Aniro-RP-theories that were viewed differently on Leanon:
1. nobody on Atys can destroy/heal Goo, and
2. (homin's) magic doesn't work against Goo


1. nobody on Atys can destroy/heal Goo

* the Lore about the settlement of the Zorai in the new lands states: "2484: Region of Cities of Intuition explored, cleaned of goo and made relatively safe. Kamis intervene whenever Karavan tries to punish Zoraïs for fighting goo instead of gathering raw materials for them." http://atys.ryzom.com/projects/puben/wiki/L_ZoraiNewBegin

* in the Lore-story about how the Zorai started their fight against the Goo "Tears of Serenity": http://atys.ryzom.com/projects/puben/wiki/Tears_of_Serenity chieftain Cho promised the Kami to cleanse the land of the Goo that he calls "devouring sickness". The Goo-infected tree the Kami wanted to be healed was directly at or near the spot where the Zorai built a temple later on and then even the very large city Zoran, capital of the Zorai-Nation in the old lands.

a) who would build a temple and even a whole city at a Goo-infected spot with Goo-infected trees? Isn't it very clear that Goo on the tree the Kami pointed to must have been healed or destroyed before that?

b) just cutting/digging Goo out and throwing it "elsewhere" is definitely not "cleansing the land" nor is it "fighting" against the Goo. Could chieftain Cho have been a liar who baselessly promised the Kami to cleanse the land if he wasn't even able to do so? If Cho had turned out to be a liar and the Zorai as being helpless against the Goo - then would the Kamis have supported the Zorai continually from that day on and given them the mask of kinship even?

c) natural fire is at least one known method to destroy Goo as the Lore states: "2520: Fire brought by the Fyros rages out of control but destroys last goo hotspots." http://atys.ryzom.com/projects/puben/wiki/L_ZoraiNewBegin At the same time the Lore also states: "What do we value? - You must guard against over-exploitation and fire, and at all costs fight against the goo which the Kamis are powerless to repel." and "What are our prohibitions? - It is forbidden to spread fire over the lands. It strips the land of its wealth and leaves it sterile." Doesn't this very clearly hint at other methods to fight Goo as well than fire which is considered as dangerous?

2. (homin's) magic doesn't work against Goo

* some homins think that if magic would work against the Goo then the Kamis would be able to destroy Goo themselves. But why should magic woven by Kamis and magic woven by homins be the exact same "kind" or phenomenon? Kamis and homins are very different creatures.

The Sage Yi Be-Pian from the company of the Eternal Tree states in the Lore: "I've seen with my own eyes a Kami being sucked up by the Goo before I could intervene. No, I tell you, it's up to us to protect them. Did you know that homins have a better resistance to the Goo than most other living creatures?" http://atys.ryzom.com/projects/puben/wiki/C_Yi_Be-Pian No homin has ever been disolved by the Goo...

3. research and Goo
additionally to that there has been a (political) ban for Zorai to research Goo on Aniro, while contrary to that on Leanon and Arispotle the Circles of the Zorai were bestowed with the duty to do research to find out how to heal Goo: "11.2. The First Circle will study and seek a cure to the Goo, the disease afflicting Atys." http://atys.ryzom.com/projects/puben/wiki/L_ZoraiGovOrg .

The German version "11.2. Der zweite Kreis soll nach einem Heilmittel gegen das Goo forschen, die Krankheit, die Atys befallen hat." translates as "The second Circle shall research ("forschen") a cure against the Goo, the disease that has befallen Atys": http://app.ryzom.com/app_lore/index.php?page=/projects/pubde/wiki /L_Die_Kreise_der_Zorai.

Also the Company of the Eternal Tree, closest guardians of the Kami, research into "their ultimate enemy", the Goo, as the Lore states: http://atys.ryzom.com/projects/puben/wiki/C_Yi_Be-Pian

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Additional OOC-information:

Only a few years ago there was a part in the German Lore stating that the Kami have taught the Zorai magic that enables homins to fight the Goo:

"Die Kami lehrten die Zoraï Magie, mit der die Homins das Goo bekämpfen können, gegen das die Kami anfällig sind. Die Volksmagie der Zoraï ist die Elektrizität; auch der Magnetismus gehört dazu, durch den die Zorai ihre Häuser schweben lassen. Die Kami sind "Geister der Natur", sie schufen für die Zoraï organische Verwandtschafts-Masken nach dem Schließen des Bündnisses zwischen den Zoraï und Kamis - mit dem Zoraï-Herrscher Cho um 2201."

I'm with Ryzom since the Beta 2003/2004. The Lore at that time was different from our's today. Jena was still seen as the Goddess of the Kami back then for instance. So it might not be a good idea to include this "knowledge" in our roleplay of today, even if some of our characters might date back to that time.... Still I'd like to share these bits of old Lore with you for your entertainment:

"Zoraï society became structured around magnificent magnetic temple-cities where grand ceremonies were orchestrated to parry the flora devouring goo cancer which the Kamis were powerless to repel themselves." "The Zoraïs have passed master in the manipulation of magic magnetic fields which they use in the fabrication of weaponry and buildings."

Screenshots from this same Lore 2004, showing Zorai performing the magic rituals together:


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More OOC-information about the Lore 2004:

Goo, Fyros myth

The ashes that gave birth to Atys formed giant plates that are not tightly sealed; just enough to keep the Arsonist enclosed. When the (Great) Tree dispersed the first renegade arsonist found itself closed in and suffocating beneath in the ashes. He slept for a long time inside this prison, and then awoke. He is trying to escape from the shell that encloses him. The Goo is his reeking breath that corrupts the life engendered by the venerable tree. It insinuates everywhere and tries to weaken the Bark at numerous locations.

Goo, Matis myth

Just when their work was nearly done, the (immortal) Matis of the lower station decided to accelerate the process (of Terraforming). But by multiplying the number of Kamis they pumped too much of the original energy and extinguished one of the custodial moons of Atys. The plants and creatures that went untended began to degenerate. The planets began to germinate chaotically, taking on incredible and tortuous shapes. The anarchy overcame the creatures and they began to devour each other.

Even the Kamis were tainted by this excess of Matisian zeal and began to revolt against their makers’ authority. The immortal Matis were soon affected by this terrible ill called Goo. The depraved among them continued shaping Atys, but this time multiplying the degradations and proliferating plants of bad taste.

Goo, Tryker legend

The Trykers are the lost children of the Kamis, magical guardians of the Seed: their first and imperfect offspring. For generations, these favored creatures, doted with ingenuity and the natural grace and endurance of the element they master, dawdled in the paradise that is Atys. Until the day the Fyros ravished the Bark and liberated the Fire of Coriolis creating enormous chasms in the Seed. The most powerful Kamis threw themselves into the abyss to fill the void, but the evil was irrevocable. The Trykers fled while the weakened Kamis tried to put out the fires.

But with the fire came the Goo. The Fyros had also liberated the Goo from the bast just beneath the Bark. This strange evil, this rotten, suffocating fruit of the suffering planet-tree, lay in wait just beneath the surface: Until the Fyros freed it. The Goo spread in rivers, infecting whole regions and especially the creatures that fed on it who mutated and became violent and unpredictable. Just after the spread of the Fire, the Homins began the Revolt of the Envious and refused to provide for the Trykers.

Plans for future Goo-events by Nevrax, back in 2004, as revealed to online-gaming-magazines:

Dynamic Invasions
In addition to the player-controlled homins, other factions struggle for control over Atys and each other. Native tribes will assault key outposts, the Kitin can invade at any time, and the Goo will contaminate entire regions if left unchecked. Player action - or inaction - can result in dramatic shifts in control of outposts and regions.

Like a cancer, the Goo corrupts first the land of Atys, then the creatures nearby. These creatures become stronger than usual, and extremely violent against any non-infected being. Unless players begin vanquishing the infected creatures and driving back the infestation, it can render large areas of the land worthless and toxic. Although the Goo doesn't take over outposts, it can have a similar effect as infected creatures begin attacking everything nearby, and the poison in the land can slowly kill anything that resists the infection.

In addition to the Kitin invasions, infestations of Goo will also keep things interesting. Goo is a glowing substance native to the planet that occasionally bursts up from the ground in a wellspring, infecting nearby creatures and turning them nasty. The infection also spreads like a virus from creature to creature. For the sake of game balance, the infection doesn't spread endlessly but will eventually peter out geographically. Healer players will have to come in and repair the land and fix up the monsters while being protected by fighters and magic users.

Basically, the planet is infected, and occasionally an infection will spring from the ground, oozing green goo that contaminates the environment. Creatures that get caught in the goo become zombies that can infect other creatures, creating an epidemic that can spiral out of control. The only way to control a goo infestation is to kill the infected creatures and go to the source of the infestation, where magic-users can cast healing spells on the planet.

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We had an RP-"fight" turning OOC because of different theories our characters had about the Goo during the last Assembly of the Circles in Zora:

2013/07/11 21:43:44 * Du sagst: I would like to know what our scholars and maybe you, honored Physician, have been allowed to research. We thought that the goo was inspected to see if it had been altered by homins or something like that...
2013/07/11 21:44:16 * Du sagst: please mind that I do not mean any disrespect. I merely want to know about these things because knowledge is the foundation of wisdom. And it's also for the law about the goo...
2013/07/11 21:45:05 * Du sagst: in this law I wanted to suggest to hand any goo that is found to our scholars...
2013/07/11 21:45:59 * Du sagst: but is this something that we should not suggest?
2013/07/11 21:46:46 * Tao Sian réponds à Zhoi : Je pense que cette question intéressera aussi l'Eveillée Fey-Lin, qui a posé des questions similaires.
2013/07/11 21:47:28 * Feylin translates :I think this question will interest the awakened Fey-Lin too, as she asked similar questions
2013/07/11 21:48:22 * Tao Sian sagt: Mais ce sont des documents dangereux, car ils contiennent nombre d'informations sur la Goo, et sur ses effets. Nos Sages ont décidé qu'ils ne pouvaient les mettre sous les yeux de tous les homins, ni même de tous les Masques.
2013/07/11 21:49:08 * Tao Sian sagt: Aussi, posez moi vos questions, et je tâcherai de mettre mon Savoir à votre service à tous.
2013/07/11 21:49:31 * Feylin translates : But those are dangerous documents, because there are several informations about Goo, and its effects. Our Sages decided that they coudln't put it under the eyes of each homins, even among the Masks
2013/07/11 21:50:04 * Feylin translates / So, please ask me your questions, and I will try to put my Knowledge at your service, everyone.
2013/07/11 21:52:33 * Du sagst: well, so it would still be wise to give all unusual goo-material found to our scholars?
2013/07/11 21:54:55 * Tao Sian sagt: Nous devons apprendre à combattre la Goo, aussi, oui, toutes les informations pouvant aider le Peuple des Masques à combattre la Goo, et que nos Sages jugeront pertinentes devront être étudiées par les Savants de toute la Théocratie
2013/07/11 21:55:51 * Tao Sian sagt: Mes recherches m'ont d'ailleurs amenée à des conclusions très intéressantes,mais je pense que nous auront l'occasion d'en reparler ce soir.
2013/07/11 21:56:24 * Feylin translates: we have to learn how to fight the Goo, so yes, each information that may help the Masked People to fight the Goo, and that our Sages judge relevant, shall be studied by the Scholars of the whole Theocracy
2013/07/11 21:57:02 * Feylin translates / my researches have led to very interesting conclusions, but i dthink we may talk about this later this evening
2013/07/11 21:57:41 * Feylin sagt: Kai'bini Tao-sian, est-il vrai que les homins peuvent détruire de la Goo ?
2013/07/11 21:58:09 * Feylin translates : Please Tao Sian, is it true that homins can destroy some Goo ?
2013/07/11 21:58:57 * Tao Sian sagt: Selon les archives de la Théocratie et mes recherches dans les ambres, il semble que oui. J'en ai trouvé des traces.
2013/07/11 21:59:32 * Tao Sian sagt: Ce serait long à expliquer ici, mais la réponse est "oui". J'en suis convaincue. Mais je n'ai pas la méthode, seulement des pistes qu'il nous faudra explorer.
2013/07/11 21:59:44 * Feylin translates: according to the archives of the Theocracy and my researches in the Ambers, it seems that yes, I found some clues
2013/07/11 22:00:29 * Feylin translates / it would be long to explain here, but my answer is yes, I'm sure of this. but I have no method, only path to explore
2013/07/11 22:21:35 * Icus sagt: You are telling us that we can harvest goo-material and bring it to sages
2013/07/11 22:21:57 * Icus sagt: because you have found that one day, people achieved to destroy goo, though you don't have any idea on how to do it ?
2013/07/11 22:23:01 * Icus sagt: I'm not living here, but is it madness to allow people to harvest goo because they can bring it to scholar who don't even know how to destroy it
2013/07/11 22:23:35 * Du sagst: I know how I can destroy goo... I squeeze the harvested small amount in my hands and my sap somehow makes it undone... But how do you explain any kind of Atys-magic scientifically?

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2013/07/11 22:23:48 * Icus sagt: So i can harvest goo, if someone see me i say i will bring it to some scholar here, and take it to my house to do funny experiment about it
2013/07/11 22:24:07 * Icus sagt: Then share the process more clearly with this assembly
2013/07/11 22:24:29 * Du sagst: you might forget that the Kami all over Atys ask us homins to harvest Goo with the means to destroy it
2013/07/11 22:24:31 * Icus sagt: Because no homin alive ever found a way to destroy goo, apart from natural fire - or at least he didn't spread his method
2013/07/11 22:24:47 * Tao Sian sagt: Je n'ai parlé que de connaissances et de savoir pour le moment.
2013/07/11 22:25:17 * Feylin translates Tao-Sian : I talked about knowledge only, until now
2013/07/11 22:25:28 * Icus sagt: And it's exactly the problem
2013/07/11 22:25:28 * Du sagst: you might not know since you are ne-kwai *looks at Icus* but the Kami are higher powers than homins within our Theocracy
2013/07/11 22:25:45 * Tao Sian sagt: Je propose à l'akenak Icus de venir parler de ce sujet avec les Savants de la Théocratie, prochainement. Je serais alors des votres.
2013/07/11 22:26:08 * Icus sagt: Kami are infected by goo like any homin and have strong diseases coming from it
2013/07/11 22:26:27 * Icus sagt: which makes them more of less equivalent power in front of goo, as homins
2013/07/11 22:26:39 * Icus sagt: and if they hae ways to destroy goo, i think they would have done it long before
2013/07/11 22:26:44 * Feylin translates : I propose to akenak Icus to come discuss this subjects with scholars of the Theocracy, soon. I will be among the participants.
2013/07/11 22:26:58 * Icus sagt: Or maybe they do know how to do it and are making fun of us
2013/07/11 22:27:22 * Feylin sagt: Akenak Icus, please calm down, you are very close to blasphemy
2013/07/11 22:27:23 * Mabreka Cho sagt: Zoraï'i, nous avons passé suffisamment de temps sur ce sujet aujourd'hui. L'heure avance et d'autres sujets nous attendent.
2013/07/11 22:27:39 * Du sagst: it is not up to us to judge the respected Kami. But we homins do have the power to destroy goo, this is definite. Have you never harvested goo and then destroyed it?
2013/07/11 22:28:00 * Daomei sagt: I did not understand that every homin should collect loads of goo. Rather it deals with the goo found in contaminated animals or places
2013/07/11 22:28:14 * Icus sagt: (ok seriously. Did you ever read the lore zhoi ?)
2013/07/11 22:28:36 * Icus sagt: (you are clear saying nonsens IC things and clearly this is power-èRP thinking that you can destroy goo by crushing it in your hand)
2013/07/11 22:28:46 * Du sagst: (of course I did,what are you thinking? But what has that got to do with anything?)
2013/07/11 22:28:48 * Icus sagt: (if you want to believe that your toon can do whatever you want, then go on.)
2013/07/11 22:28:50 * Mabreka Cho sagt: Abordons, très rapidement, l'état d'avancée du projet de loi sur la Goo.
2013/07/11 22:29:04 * Feylin sagt: (actually there is a gap between the lore and the fact that we can destroy goo mission items, so ... let's hope an explanation from the event team, later)
2013/07/11 22:29:23 * Du sagst: (we have been talking about this with the Sage Sens in RP and we can definitely interprete some game-mechanics RP-wise to make it logical)
2013/07/11 22:29:28 * Feylin sagt: (no need to argue this here, and now, please)
2013/07/11 22:30:21 * Mjollren sagt: I hear you can use yubo puppies in a lanuncher
2013/07/11 22:30:26 * Du sagst: (Feylin should know since she was there when we talked about this, and Sens is played by the Event-Team, so this is why I am repeating it)
2013/07/11 22:31:15 * Zhoi looks at Mabreka Cho helplessly, seemingly not understanding a word
2013/07/11 22:32:20 * Feylin translates MAbreka : let's move, quickly, to the porject of a law about Goo
2013/07/11 22:32:48 * Mabreka Cho sagt: Qui souhaite prendre la parole ?
2013/07/11 22:33:14 * Sens sagt: We can talk about the details of goo on another time on an extra meeting, but we still have a lot on our agenda.
2013/07/11 22:33:52 * Icus sagt: (i have a very easy explanation for that : you drop the goo-product from your bag to the ground, and here's your GP-destructrion explained)
2013/07/11 22:35:06 * Du sagst: (Icus, again: Feylin and I have talked with Sens of the Event-Team about this topic and he has confirmed that homins are able to destroy small amounts of goo. Period. Start listening when people are talking to you)
2013/07/11 22:35:30 * Feylin sagt: (please stop this OOC comment, and please wait for fr translation, that has delay)
2013/07/11 22:36:13 * Sens sagt: (We can talk about these lore details another time, please let's go on with the agenda, we're already late.)

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The OOC-talk I was referring to was this one:

2013/04/06 23:51:41 * Du sagst: the Awakened Sartyrica wanted to make it possible for every homin to help us fighting against the goo, not only initiates and Awakened...
2013/04/06 23:51:51 * Du sagst: just like it has been at the times when the goo has spread
2013/04/06 23:52:50 * Du sagst: the basic idea is to have homins collect stuff and give it to someone official here in Zora...
2013/04/06 23:53:15 * Du sagst: for the purpose of reducing the existing goo at the rims of the Witherings
2013/04/06 23:56:17 * Du sagst: oh, and about the law against the Goo - if you take my draft as a foundation as posted on the notice boards to Jen-Lai and Min-Cho, I would be very happy if you would be so kind to add your two concerns and maybe correct any errors...
2013/04/06 23:56:35 * Feylin sagt: I suggest that poeples, who may not have struggle against the goo for at least 8 years, receive the right informations on how to do this without risks of contamination
2013/04/06 23:57:05 * Feylin sagt: (in fact, i think in roleplay matter, it's still confuse about what homins can or cannot)
2013/04/06 23:57:35 * Du sagst: this might be also something that should be mentioned in the said law, don't you think so, Awakened Fey-Lin Liang?
2013/04/06 23:57:45 * Feylin sagt: ( can we consider that destroying goo mission materials is considered goo destruction ?)
2013/04/06 23:58:08 * Sens sagt: (It surely contributes to this, yes.)
2013/04/06 23:58:10 * Feylin sagt: ( and more things that shall be precised officially about the Goo)
2013/04/06 23:58:30 * Du sagst: (yes, this is something the event-team should decide... I thought that we homins can destroy goo, since the Kamis ask us to dig out goo but will not tell us how to dispose of it)
2013/04/06 23:59:29 * Du sagst: (game-mechanic-wise we can destroy it by right-clicking and chose "destroy" - maybe this can be considered as a proof that the magic of the sap in homins enables them to destroy it?)
2013/04/07 00:00:06 * Sens sagt: (There are plans about events that offer the possibility to act against the goo. Until then everyday acts like destroying goo material can be considered as fighting against the goo.)
2013/04/07 00:00:36 * Feylin sagt: (I always considered magic was not potent vs Goo, or Kami shall not need us)
2013/04/07 00:00:54 * Feylin sagt: (but the question is : how does it work, in roleplay point of vue ?)
2013/04/07 00:01:08 * Sens sagt: (What exactly do you mean?)
2013/04/07 00:01:11 * Osquallo sagt: ( i have always think that we don't know how to destroy goo in fact :o)
2013/04/07 00:01:28 * Du sagst: (well, my suggestion to fight against the goo was also meant just like that... dig out goo-mission-materials and give it to an NPC, get titles like "Hero against the Goo" and be a proud Zorai or Saviour of Atys)
2013/04/07 00:01:35 * Feylin sagt: (what is the action fo a character when the player click to destroy the goo ?)
2013/04/07 00:01:49 * Mahija sagt: (how about an npc who takes goo and destroys it properly?)
2013/04/07 00:01:50 * Du sagst: (somethng magic...?)
2013/04/07 00:02:17 * Osquallo sagt: (npc like those we have on aniro )
2013/04/07 00:02:22 * Osquallo sagt: had*
2013/04/07 00:02:32 * Sens sagt: (Fire is a possibility to destroy goo, but since this also destroys sap it is no option for Kamis to use it in a large scale against the infections in the Witherings.)
2013/04/07 00:02:42 * Osquallo sagt: ( and if we can destroy goo we can as say many quest clean the ground )
2013/04/07 00:02:47 * Osquallo sagt: can't*
2013/04/07 00:02:49 * Sens sagt: (But destroying small portions of goo with fire is a possibility.)
2013/04/07 00:03:50 * Feylin sagt: (well, i didn't expect a complete answer tonight, but clearing all this according to the lore, later)
2013/04/07 00:04:21 * Du sagst: (me too, it is just a question to be solved by the event-team whenever they find the time)
2013/04/07 00:04:49 * Sens sagt: Considering the time, we now can come to the last topic of today?
2013/04/07 00:05:21 * Du sagst: (there could be other events like that as well: gather "goo" at different spots at the rims of the witherings as a travelling-quest or even at the goo-mounds of the goo-tribes... could be fun too)

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I will try to answer, but keep in mind that it is very hard for me to understand and speak English.

Obviously all this is OOC: Laofa can not communicate his knowledge of the goo on Atys.

To clean the goo: draw a parallel with the treatment of asbestos or nuclear waste. We can not destroy it, but we can "neutralize" (bury, gather all together). Those who work in it are risking their health. For me it did not mean cleaning knew they destroy it, just remove and roll back.

For tales 2004: be careful, lore has been revamped and since these stories have clearly been abandoned. However I think we can also use it to try to understand. After all, we also have stories that tell us OOC historical things, though distorted.

For information against "Plans for future events by Goo-Nevrax, back in 2004, as Revealed to online-gaming-magazine" , from what I know, always just on how goo behaves.

I would have to regain a lot of documents to correctly answer this post and add knowledge accessible to players. I started a compilation on how goo contaminates homins and what can save them, relied on reports of events : http://carnets.purforum.com/t26-goo-guerir-les-homins

This, however, is based on stories Aniro, it is more than likely to be different on other servers. But there is a very large literature in French, unfortunately scattered in all corners.

Regarding the "natural fire" was a big debate on Aniro on its exact nature. I think the same level Lore, nothing serious has been done. But Tryker interesting experiment was conducted: http://atys.ryzom.com/boards/32/topics/1601

This were the only time in the history of Aniro where the goo was really destroyed.

More than once we also mention that the goo eats the sap, moves along the veins of sap, but also sap fight goo and makes it ineffective. It's a purified sap potion give to lenja for comes to his senses; Supplice goes Nexus (charged area of ​​magic and nexus of sap) to fight against the evil. Marung using magic (based sap) created a small amount of goo (but he uses a magic different from homins). And he treats a Homin using magic.

Magic, sap and goo are always intertwined in the stories, but the relationship is complex. I have theory that the sap dissolves goo (such as water dissolved limestone ), without make it disappear (like limestone!). We know that the sap of the deepest roots is very corrosive (an event with the Karavan, the Trykers ... uh I do not know where is the link).

A document often referenced: http://fr.ryzomnomnom.com/wiki/Rapport_de_Pei-Zao_% C3% A0_Melkiar_sur_la_Goo
However, his "truth" has been repeatedly called into question (handling marauders, their scientific errors?).

Ok, that all for moment, i try to find my link and make better post. I hope it's comprehensible.

And thanks Zhoi for this project, and for your clear english : automatic translator can read you and so, me too ;)

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In addition there was the infection of the Gibbain by Marauders using artificial Goo fountains which were eventually destroyed using a Matis-created potion and then homin-based magic. (At least this was true on Arispotle). There was a deal of discussion of the problems and solution in my thread here and also in event threads related to it. http://app.ryzom.com/app_forum/index.php?page=topic/view/2085/1

Recently, there were reports during the investigation of the corrupted Rangers that indicated that simple washing would remove surface contamination.

Finally, all homins who have completed Silan know that Goo can be affected by homin-made potions!

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Pragmatically, we know that Goo can be devoured, as there are Goo eaters, addicts who obviously can live a reasonable length of time without becoming crazy (in the sense of murderous). That does not neccessarily mean that Goo can "vanish", but then, on a scientific term, nothing ever vanishes, it just changes. I have the slight recollection that we on Leanon once healed the brother of Mabreka-Cho from a slight Goo infection (but it might have been another illness; it was so long ago). There is little point in "burying" Goo, of course - and who would try, as it's one of the common theories that Goo is degenerated, ill Sap, that it affects and infects healthy Sap.

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Salazar Caradini
Filira Matia
Royal Historian
Member of the Royal Academy of Yrkanis
First Seraph of the Order of the Argo Navis

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A few comments, but please don't react before finishing to read my entire post :)
Zhoi (atys)
a) who would build a temple and even a whole city at a Goo-infected spot with Goo-infected trees? Isn't it very clear that Goo on the tree the Kami pointed to must have been healed or destroyed before that?
Who ? The brave Zorai peoples, obviously.
The Goo can just have been removed from there. It's enough to have a place where you can build something.

b) just cutting/digging Goo out and throwing it "elsewhere" is definitely not "cleansing the land" nor is it "fighting" against the Goo. Could chieftain Cho have been a liar who baselessly promised the Kami to cleanse the land if he wasn't even able to do so? If Cho had turned out to be a liar and the Zorai as being helpless against the Goo - then would the Kamis have supported the Zorai continually from that day on and given them the mask of kinship even?
Let's take your appartment as an example. When you clean it, with a vacuum cleaner, do you really believe that you destroy all the dust ?
On Aniro, we considered that the land was cleaned by removing the Goo that was in the Cities of Intuition and gathering it behind Magnetic Barriers to contain it there, preventing further Goo spreading, waiting to find a way to destroy the Goo.

c) natural fire is at least one known method to destroy Goo as the Lore states: "2520: Fire brought by the Fyros rages out of control but destroys last goo hotspots." http://atys.ryzom.com/projects/puben/wiki/L_ZoraiNewBegin At the same time the Lore also states: "What do we value? - You must guard against over-exploitation and fire, and at all costs fight against the goo which the Kamis are powerless to repel." and "What are our prohibitions? - It is forbidden to spread fire over the lands. It strips the land of its wealth and leaves it sterile." Doesn't this very clearly hint at other methods to fight Goo as well than fire which is considered as dangerous?
This doesn't mean that this or these orther methods are either known or effectively consist in destroying the Goo.

* some homins think that if magic would work against the Goo then the Kamis would be able to destroy Goo themselves. But why should magic woven by Kamis and magic woven by homins be the exact same "kind" or phenomenon? Kamis and homins are very different creatures.
Actually, at least for the Order of Ma-Duk, the Kami teached the homins how to use magic. How could them teach something they cannot use themselves ? So yes, it is reasonnable to think that it is the same kind of magic. And considering Kami can ressurect homins and teleport homins, as well as teleport themselves, they are far better at magic than homins. So homin magic being efficient against Goo, while Kami magic can't ? Doesn't seem to make sense.

The Sage Yi Be-Pian from the company of the Eternal Tree states in the Lore: "I've seen with my own eyes a Kami being sucked up by the Goo before I could intervene. No, I tell you, it's up to us to protect them. Did you know that homins have a better resistance to the Goo than most other living creatures?" http://atys.ryzom.com/projects/puben/wiki/C_Yi_Be-Pian No homin has ever been disolved by the Goo...
Actually, I don't know for other servers, but on Aniro the tribe Goo Heads are Goo cultists believing that illumination is reached through Goo. An interpretation is that it is reached by being completely eaten by the Goo. So claiming that no homin has ever been dissolved ? If there is no lore about it especially, these assumptions about this tribe let us believe it is highly possible.

additionally to that there has been a (political) ban for Zorai to research Goo on Aniro, while contrary to that on Leanon and Arispotle the Circles of the Zorai were bestowed with the duty to do research to find out how to heal Goo: "11.2. The First Circle will study and seek a cure to the Goo, the disease afflicting Atys." http://atys.ryzom.com/projects/puben/wiki/L_ZoraiGovOrg .
This law is supposed to have been in place after the Grand Sage Fung Tun has been corrupted by Goo during his works for the Order of Mé-Smèr (no information in the Lore, I don't know where this comes from, but it is a story told to my character by some roleplayer's character older than mine), which was an order founded by Fung Tun and working along with Karavan to make researches and experimentations with Goo.

Also the Company of the Eternal Tree, closest guardians of the Kami, research into "their ultimate enemy", the Goo, as the Lore states: http://atys.ryzom.com/projects/puben/wiki/C_Yi_Be-Pian
Actually, The Company of the Eternal Tree is not a part of the Theocracy, they are just an allied tribe, so I don't think they are absolutely subject to its laws. But this is another hard point : what is the extend of the power of each nation in its supposed "land" ?
I don't think we can view nations as the lands, like today. Rather like in the early Middle Age, there were kings of Peoples, not king of Lands. They ruled over certain lands because their peoples were occupying these lands.


All this just to point that : we share a certain numbers of facts in the Lore, but the informations are so incomplete that different interpretations led to different "common knowledge". Many peoples forget that these are not knwoledge, but theories.

This is why things that are known as facts need to be clarified, here : Goo destruction. Is it something common or not for homins, at least actual homins ?
I worked on a theory about Goo, that my character develops. But there are many gaps between informations and knowledge. I know there is several facts of destruction of Goo in the Lore, it may be surprising by the way that Aniro considered that Goo cannot be destroyed, but there is no precise information about using which device, so maybe players considered this as lost knwoledge, and this "cannot" is relative to the present, not absolute, anyway, i took it as such when I joined the game, but it always disturbed me. This led me to send a first work to the event team, for information, and hoping they enjoy ^^, and to ask that those gap are filled, so that I can correct obvious nonsense, which may not be identified as obvious yet.

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Fey-Lin Liang
Li'laï-ko
Talian-Zu

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First to answer Salazar's post:

yes, the bodies of homins obviously must be able to transform/digest Goo - because no homin who has been poisoned by the Goo has ever infected other homins and we never had to put anyone who survived a short-termed Goo-infection under quarantine, as seemingly the Goo-infection heals up all by itself. Homins can also live close to Goo-sources for a very long while without going mad beyond control or turning unreasonably aggressive, like a bunch of Goo-tribes do.

About events:

The first Goo-event was launched at the end of Open Beta in the night of September 13th 2004; featuring Goo-infected ("poisonous") Gibbai, Ragus' and Yelks with french names - plus attackable Goo-sources/Goo-mounds with health-points that later on turned healable for a very short time, as some players might remember. Sadly the CD with all my screenshots from that time could not be read any longer one day and not forseeing this I hadn't made a copy :(

On Leanon the second Goo-event was in April 2005, called "das Goo ist aufgewühlt" ("the Goo is stirring"). http://forums.ryzom.com/showthread.php?t=13695 A General called Bai-Jimao, "healer of the holy order", wanted to research the Goo because of rumors and was accompanied to the rims of the Goo by a group of valiant homins. Later on the General wrote a letter in which he explained that the "bubbles" and "shifts" of the Goo were getting more active and dangerous.

The General himself did not return though, and because of this the healer Sheng Yanfan went searching for him, with the help of a group of homins. Bai-Jimao's tame gingo was found Goo-infected on the way - he carried a letter from Bai-Jimao in which the General was calling for help because he had become Goo-infected. The General was found inside the Goo and saved, but his sickness had made him mad - he cried out that "they" were gathering in the Goo and would attack the cities before the next winter. The healer Sheng Yanfan claimed that he would need flesh and/or blood from the creatures who had infected the General Bai-Jimao to be able to heal him.

On April 23rd, 2005 three Goo-sources welled up from the ground in the Witherings and poisonous Gibbai started to invade the amber cities. They were non-aggressive though, maybe because of their Goo-infection. After killing a number of Gibbai, a more dangerous Gibbai appeared at each of the Goo-sources, and after this one had been killed too the sources themselves also vanished. But still more and more Goo-infected Gibbai came out of the Goo and even appeared from nowhere in the cities of intuition... Also two more Goo-sources were sighted; located in Void and in Knot of Dementia, where no Gibbai spawned at all.

On April 26th, 2005 we were told OOC by GMs that the Goo-event had to be "interrupted" for a while, and the Gibbai stopped spawning - but the event was never continued afterwards and no GM ever wanted to talk to us about all of this as if it had never happened :(

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Some more Goo-events on Leanon:

In April 2009 (fourth cycle of Atysyear 2546 to first cycle of Atysyear 2547) the event that Salazar mentioned started: "Das Goo und der Weise". Sage Bai Ji-Mao (!), also called "der Leidende" ("the suffering"), had been infected by the Goo and had to be accompanied to the Nexus to be treated by the Company of the Eternal Tree. Bai Ji-Mao has always been the name of the Sage Supplice/Sorrow on Leanon, and he still is as confirmed by the Event-Team only a short while ago; even though he had another name on Aniro: Fen Han-Go.

Wao kia, disciple of the Sage Bai Ji-Mao, asked helpful homins to talk to the Goo-tribes in the Witherings to find a cure for Bai Ji-Mao. Lira nisti of the tribe "Darkened Sap" (the names were different back then, I believe this tribe is called "Matiagoo" today) first tried to sell and then unwillingly handed the homins a mysterious crystal that she claimed would to be able to heal Bai Ji-Mao. The crystal did not work sufficiently though, so once again homins were asked to helped out; this time they were sent to pray at the sanctuary of Ma-Duk. They went there and enquired the Kami-priests if praying would help to strengthen the crystal.

The Kami at the temple confirmed that "proofing their beliefs" should help. So the Kami sent the homins to kill Goo-infected animals at the rims of the Goo. In fact, Goo-infected Najabs and even infected Wombai were roaming the area close to the tribe "Goo-heads"; also a bunch of Psykoplas had been infected. Afterwards the homins had to dig up Goo-residue for the Kami-priest, and the last request of the Kami was to "teach" the tribe "Masters of the Goo" "a lesson". At that time the Kami told them that the Masters of the Goo had found a way to gain strength from abusing the Goo.

While some homins tried to persuade the tribe with words, other homins were attacked by the guards of the Masters of the Goo and defended themselves. Talking amounted to nothing, but the Kami was pleased with the fight and told the homins that they could stop fighting after a while: as this has been sufficient proof of their dedication. So the Kami took the crystal and promised to pray to Ma-Duk for help. Bo-qung fao from the Masters of the Goo said that his tribe would treat/heal their wounds using the Goo after the battle by the way.

http://forums.ryzom.com/showthread.php?t=33956
http://www.malakaii.de/logs/2009-04-18-Der_Weise_und_das_Goo.html
http://www.malakaii.de/logs/2009-05-02-Der_Weise_und_das_Goo_(Tei l_2).html
http://www.malakaii.de/logs/2009-05-10-Das_Goo_und_der_Weise_Teil _3.htm

On August 23th 2009 the Sage Bai Ji-Mao came back to Zora, and we were told that he had "recuperated" from his Goo-infection - he at least felt well enough to share some stories of old about the Zorai and the Goo-tribes. His researches about the Goo-tribes were later on published: http://atys.ryzom.com/projects/5/wiki/C_Goostaemme

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Unfinished Goo-events on Leanon:

Another one of the larger events about Goo started in October 2009 and featured amber-cube-particles containing a letter from Nung Horongi to the marauder Melkiar. http://app.ryzom.com/app_forum/index.php?page=topic/view/13657/17 #17 This event lasted until the server-merge and still hasn't really ended yet, as a member of the dynastic circle (Event-Team) had told us that this text from Nung Horogi would be helpful to stop the Goo-infection of animals as the Sage Saison/Season had found out by meditating. Salazar Caradini also had a "private" IC-talk with Nung by the way, during which he was told some more details about the Goo http://atys.ryzom.com/boards/6/topics/1965.

The appearance of Goo-infected animals, plants and the group of Gibbai around the "named boss" called "Valcorenoch", and with an NPC in Zora collecting Goo-infected meat and loot giving out titles seemingly was an event on all three servers just before the server-merge. It was originally intended to be continued soon after the merge - and the last messages from the Event-Team about this event indicate that this continuation is still being planned. :)

We also had a lot of other events that involved Goo on Leanon; like Goo-altered animals used by Muang Hoi Gi / Marung Horongi during at least three events, and Goo-infected animals as additions to other events (like when Emperor Dexton was ill, when Pei-Ruz showed up for the first time, during an event around the Company of the Eternal Tree in the Haven of Purity, at Halloween, at a temporary camp of peaceful marauders in the desert and so on) - but to describe them all in detail would take too long I fear; and there were no new bits of theory about the Goo revealed during those times anyway...

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Zhoi (atys)
Salazar Caradini also had a "private" IC-talk with Nung by the way, during which he was told some more details about the Goo http://atys.ryzom.com/boards/6/topics/1965.

Well, my pretty long interview with imprisoned Nung - only a short time before he died - was less about Goo as such, but more about his history and about Muang, biographical stuff partly about the time in the Old Lands and the reasons they became interested in the Goo and connected with the Marauders. As there Nung was Muang's old teacher and not his brother I guess that whole part of history is 100% different to the history on Aniro.

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Salazar Caradini
Filira Matia
Royal Historian
Member of the Royal Academy of Yrkanis
First Seraph of the Order of the Argo Navis

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I think we can "merge" some of the server-histories. We can accept that some homins have two or even more names, and we can also think that Nung maybe just claimed to have been Muang's teacher because he wanted to sound like he was somehow more important than his brother ;)

In fact on Leanon we had been told that Muang "became" Hoi-Gi, hinting that he had another name before. And Muang himself said on Leanon once (when he appeared in the cities of Intuition) that the "Horongi-dynasty" should be the rightful rulers of the Zorai, not the Cho-dynasty. In his speech he was clearly referring to himself as wanting to be the Grand Sage, not Nung, who we knew as being a Horongi for sure ;)

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