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Abolish artificial restriction "Fraction/Nation<->Guild

Zagh
So, being Matis and Karavan, I shouldn't impose this in my guild that was created to defend these two alignments under the pretext that I potentially deprive a player of his freedom?
You are well within your rights to impose those restrictions upon your guild. However, once you try to impose them upon ALL Ryzom players, even those outside your guild, then you overstep your bounds and will be treated as just a wannabe tyrant.

"The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins." - Oliver Wendell Holmes

I have not touched your nose, nor do I have any desire to, but you seek to break mine.

Zagh
What about you who absolutely wants to impose on me your need to "I want to do what I want regardless of the game's history"? Aren't you restricting my freedom to play as I see fit?
Unless you are saying that you refuse to share a server with those who do not agree with you 500%, that makes no sense. And if that IS what you are saying, then it is a threat. I am not restricting your right to play as you see fit except insofar as I am saying that you cannot control me like I am your alt; I have free will. If you wish to order those who are not you around as if we are all your alts though, then you're interfering with the rights of others to play the way they see fit. Accusing me of restricting your rights by asking for a little freedom is projecting. You telling me how I "must" behave because of how YOU interpret lore is completely different.

Zagh
Obviously, you're going to answer that no and that I'll be the only decision-maker in my way of playing if everyone can do what they want.
And I answer you that you are in error because leaving room for too much freedom, we arrive at too many mistakes.
For example, fyros and matis hate each other. zorais and trykers hate each other. It's not me who says it, it's Ryzom's lore. You want to play a character who love everyone, free to you, but you are inconsistent with the lore.
So what's the solution to make you "free"? To be able to play your sacrosanct "Sandbox" which doesn't even really exist in Ryzom. I'll give you one. Remove the lore from the game. We offer you a unique world, a single people, and go ahead, do what you want... and strangely enough, this description reminds me of another game... Minecraft.
Partially correct. However what is "too much freedom"? According to some on this server being less than 50,000% hardcore fundamentalist "LORE IS LIFE!" RP or being able to ever opt out of PvP is "too much freedom". As one who plays games to get away from that sort of radicalism IRL, I think you can understand why I disagree with you so strongly. If I wanted the utter and absolute sovereignty that you seem to want and that you accuse me of wanting (more projection!) then I wouldn't be playing an MMO.

Lore is the past, not the future. There is more to existence than reliving history. Worlds change and things evolve. If you are stuck in the past then the world will leave you behind. If you insist on trying to keep the world stuck in the past, the world will fight you. You can still be a part of what comes next if you do not try to conquer it, but history is generally unkind to the regressive people who seek to stop progress. Look at how many horse-drawn carriages there are, or how long it's been since the Kings of many nations have been replaced by Presidents, and recognize that why Atys may be fiction, it is a construct of human minds and therefore parallels humanity in more ways than you would ever care to admit. That means that change happens.

The lore does not dictate what every single homin throughout the history of the rootball was like. And the racial hatreds you point out are averages, not 120% immutable causative relationships utterly and completely without exception. If your strict interpretation was remotely correct then the Corsair tribe would be impossible because ALL Trykers are Karavan. Does that sound flippant? If so, then imagine how you sound to me.

And no, there is no danger of Atys ever being "one people". There will always be those who cannot function in civilized society who will separate themselves from it. IRL, those are often folks who have views that are far stricter than those of mainstream society not unlike your exceedingly narrow interpretation on what Lore considers acceptable. Given that Atys toons are controlled by RL humans, it is not unreasonable to assume that the sociology here will mirror that no matter what. In fact, is that not why the Marauders were officialized as a faction; to give the outcasts who refused to fit onto Atysian society an home?
Zagh
Why isn't Ryzom really a sandbox? Because we can't do what we want. New example. I wanted to declare the independence of the territory of Avalae in the Matis kingdom because RP Matis was no longer going. The Lore and Animation team told me "You take too much freedom, it's impossible". Conclusion: Ryzom is not a sandbox (we can't even cut trees to build houses ourselves, it's a joke).
There are some limits to be sure. For one thing, a game with a lot of code from 2004 (including the engine) is going to have inherent limits. Then there is the fact that stuff like cutting trees and building houses requires a lot of dev-hours to add in; dev-hours are a finite resource for a small team, so it stands to reason that maybe giving a NeL-engine game the freedom the RAGE engine gives GTA5 players isn't a high priority (or even a possibility).

Just as tabletop GMs control the NPCs of their campaign, the dev team controls the NPCs and the world here. Us player-controlled toons are not the only homins on Atys, and the NPC rulers are not going to just hand you territory because you have the sense of entitlement. However, how us players interact with each other is something that cannot be controlled the same way unless you think authoritarian regimes are a good thing. There have been wars fought against that sort of thing; do you want to start a similar (though, admittedly, smaller-scale) war here? Before you answer, look at which side has won most of those conflicts.

By your logic, the lore is so strict that we don't even need to play; our roles are so rigidly defined that the devs don't need players because Ryzom is just a graphic novel. If that sounds like I am mischaracterizing your position by exaggerating then maybe you should look at yourself and ask why there are so many who agree with me. You really, truly are seen that way by a lot of folks; I'm simply the most vocal about it because many would rather just turn off the chat and avoid the forums or simply quit the game than speak out the way I do. You can't have RP without engagement, yet you do so much to make others want to actively avoid engaging. And if you want to kill Ryzom that badly, then rest assured that I am going to resist you!

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