Improve PvP Points Calculation - IDEAS FOR RYZOM

Daomei (atys)

>Kami vs. Karavan neutrals -> +2
Hm. There is an enemy match K-K, understood. But where is the other one from?

anti-kami vs pro-kami = +1
pro-karavan vs anti-karavan = +1
neutral nations don't count anything.

Daomei (atys)

Assume 2 nation neutrals, one Kara, one Kami. They may have all nations above 25, or even only 2, but the rest not below -25.

Those are actually not neutrals. They are pro-nations (4 or 2).

Daomei (atys)

So they may have neutral Fyros and Zorai (not below -25, thus disregarded), and positive Tryker and Matis faction (match), thus multiplier capped to 0. A full nation neutral (all >+25, like Rangers) will always have 0..1 against a religios citizen, right?

All >25 is not neutral. And yes, you can only get pvp-points if the opponent has more anti-fames than pro-fames. If you have Kami, Karavan 0, Tryker, Matis, Fyros, Zorai +26 and your opponent is a classic fyros with karavan -50, kami +50, fyros +, zorai +, tryker -, matis - you cannot get pvp-points:
Karavan: anti vs neutral -> 0
Kami: pro vs neutral -> 0
Fyros: pro vs pro -> -1
Zorai: pro vs pro -> -1
Tryker: anti vs pro -> +1
Matis: anti vs pro -> +1

But if you fight a marauder you get max: 4x pro vs anti -> +4, 2x neutral vs anti -> 0 results in +3 (capped).

Daomei (atys)

Kami or Karavan neutrals vs marauders -> 0
I did not understand that either. A religion neutral is disagreeing with marauders about K+K. Shouldn't that make 2 enemy matches, at least with religion fame >25?

When posting in english i use arispotle naming. A kami neutral is a kami aligned player with neutral national fame. With the new distinction between hominist and neutral, he now has all nation fames between -24 and +24. A fame-wise theist will get +2 vs an antitheist, yes.

Daomei (atys)

In fact, a full neutral (all fame >25) would count in as always the "worst enemy" towards marauders (6 enemy matches), or? That is consistent with the fame difference, yet it is stupid for roleplay, as fully neutrals (at least most actively roleplaying ones) tend to respect marauder players as fellow homins, disagreement about nations and creeds notwithstanding. For both Karavan and Kami followers, marauders are committing sacrileges (Kami - playing with Goo, Kara - exploring the deep PR), so they should be worse enemies in their roleplay.

Yes and no. You are describing a hominist/theist fame rather than a neutral one. And yes, a hominist/theist has 6 enemy matches (+6) resulting in a capped +3 factor.

I agree that it would be better to fully rework the system. However removing rule A would somewhat do the trick and move the issue from annoying to well.... not perfect but ok.