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Abolish artificial restriction "Fraction/Nation<->Guild

Gidget
I am all for such guilds, and consider the mandatory faction-based restrictions on membership to break any sense of immersion Ryzom has by bringing the reality I play games to escape from into Ryzom. Now, I know that there are plenty of folks out there that need a script to follow in order to feel like they are "roleplaying", but there are some of us who prefer more of a sandbox approach if for no reason other than a world where the society and character development are organic instead of scripted is more immersive. (How ironic that those who claim to be pro-RP seem to be so anti-immersion...)

We all love Ryzom. However, it's also been obvious to me for most of the years I've been here that one demographic is extremely determined to divide the server by imposing their preferred restrictions upon us all even if it means killing the game. If you want to impose restrictions on yourself or be part of a guild who will toss you for reasons that many of us would consider ridiculous, then that's your right. But when you try to take away other folks' freedom simply because you cannot restrain yourself or are egotistical enough to think that your way is THE ONLY CORRECT WAY then you're just asking for a fight. That sort of fight is not good for the future of Ryzom. Sure, that fight might not actually kill any people the way the same fight would IRL, but it will kill the game.There are worse things than being tolerant of those who do not seek to restrict themselves as strictly as you do. Don't do the in-game equivalent of outlawing meat for everyone simply because you are a vegetarian unless you seek to destroy Atys!
Zagh
Si ton but est d'avoir une guilde neutre... libre à toi de la faire, avec les contraintes que ça implique.
Just as prisoners are free to go anywhere they want so long as they do not leave the prison? I think that you and I have irreconcilably different opinions on what "freedom" means.


So, being Matis and Karavan, I shouldn't impose this in my guild that was created to defend these two alignments under the pretext that I potentially deprive a player of his freedom?

What about you who absolutely wants to impose on me your need to "I want to do what I want regardless of the game's history"? Aren't you restricting my freedom to play as I see fit?

Obviously, you're going to answer that no and that I'll be the only decision-maker in my way of playing if everyone can do what they want.
And I answer you that you are in error because leaving room for too much freedom, we arrive at too many mistakes.
For example, fyros and matis hate each other. zorais and trykers hate each other. It's not me who says it, it's Ryzom's lore. You want to play a character who love everyone, free to you, but you are inconsistent with the lore.
So what's the solution to make you "free"? To be able to play your sacrosanct "Sandbox" which doesn't even really exist in Ryzom. I'll give you one. Remove the lore from the game. We offer you a unique world, a single people, and go ahead, do what you want... and strangely enough, this description reminds me of another game... Minecraft.
Why isn't Ryzom really a sandbox? Because we can't do what we want.
New example. I wanted to declare the independence of the territory of Avalae in the Matis kingdom because RP Matis was no longer going. The Lore and Animation team told me "You take too much freedom, it's impossible". Conclusion: Ryzom is not a sandbox (we can't even cut trees to build houses ourselves, it's a joke).

@Heernis I don't see the point of giving integration freedoms in a guild if it's to inflict malus afterwards....

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