I don't think I what I trying to convey is getting across, let me try and explain better. The app is a very useful tool, though one has to be a bit careful on how one interprets some of the information presented. But having TMI (too much information) on a screen can often make it harder to find the information you want.
Those 10 items are things that, to my eyes, will improve the user experience and / or, make the even more useful. Now keep in mind I have no means by which to judge whether the added functionality is worth the T&E (time and effort) to provide them. So while I think that these would be useful and welcome additions to the app, they might just require too much T & E to make it worthwhile. So if something requires too much if atime investment, feel free to say "Stuff it Freddy, I have a life ya know" :)
Super !
As does any web browser, but don't you think the "home page function" in a web browser is a useful function ? Same thing. One single action would be welcome for something that will be done repeatedly ... right now its 6 actions for me, ... click - 3 keystrokes (Flu)- click-click to select which of the 2 guilds come up. Now if it takes 3 hours of programming to make that happen, then I'll feel guilty whining about 6 actions
There was nothing suggested about any type of social networking type activities so I think that metaphor is inappropriate. But as it has been defined as a "Guild Browser", the appropriate metaphor would be a web browser. And a web browser allows one to make bookmarks so as to provide a means to quickly access oft visited pages.
I understand what a logging file does, I guess I didn't explain my point clearly. My PC has lots of log files, but they are not taking up space on my screen all the time 24/7 when we are using programs and utilities. Under **default** settings they are there but hidden, you only see them when you click a button asking to see them. When I use Adobe Acrobat, AutoCAD or a Word Processor I can click on a button which will tell me a full history of all my document edits and when they were made. I have used that button maybe 3 times in over 25 years. If they were sitting there 24 / 7, it would just be taking up valuable screen real estate. If it's not serving a useful purpose, it's in the way.
We have Event Viewer in Windows and it's a fantastic tool. It logs all system events that occur on my PC. But, when I land at the Windows Home Screen, I don't have it sitting there with hundreds of lines filling the screen. I love that I can see them if I want to but when I don't, they are just in the way. So what I am suggesting if it can be accomplished without much effort is basic data visible by default, log file data by clicking a "show me more" button.
Super Cool
Well perhaps it was a mistake to use a humorous example as I did. We can all think of silly things to put in a news section ... such as what body part the Kardashians have decided to put on display each day, but that doesn't make all "news" unimportant.
As you said, the goal of the app is for it to be a tool for new players to obtain info and be informed such that they can make choices about which guild to approach. I don't see that any of the following "news items" would be "unimportant" to players so I do not understand why this doesn't fall into the "to help others to find data about guilds" category
[i]"The [insert guild name here] guild has seen declining membership and will, at least temporarily be closing it's doors as of June 30 and merging with [insert guild name here]". The guild will remain as an alt / storage guild and, if we a resurgence of old members returning to game, we will reactivate it. Watch this space for news on that topic".[/insert]
[i]"The [insert guild name here] will be sponsoring periodic craft fairs, primarily for new players seeking to gear up. The first will be held June 15 at Cerakos Gate and will rotate around Atys as needed. Watch this space for future dates and locations".[/insert]
[i]The [insert guild name here] has been an active [insert faction name here] guild for over 4 years. However we are seeking a change of pace and are undergoing preparations go join the [insert faction name here] as of July 15".[/insert]
[i]"The [insert guild name here] has lately experienced a significant influx of new players and in order to be in a position to adequately address the needs of those new members, will not be accepting any new members until after July 30, 2017. Watch this space for updates."[/insert]
Again, the goal of the tool is to provide accurate and usable information to new players. A guild that has been around for a long time will have many inactive players. These member are generally not deleted for various reasons say because every few months or years, they return for a stint and then take another "vacation from game". Or they may have say joined a year ago, but had budget issues, moved and they may or may not be coming back. If not seen for a certain time, many guilds cull the list after a certain time frame.
So if a new player is looking for a person to contact in that guild, a list that includes 50 players that haven't been around in 18 months serves no purpose, it's just "in the way". The clutter does make it harder to weed out the 15 active players from the list that is often well over 100 players.
On that note, it sounds like it may be impossible, but is there any way to make the player status not dependent on whether the players are / are not using the RyGReg app ?
Let's say I am looking for a Guild and I find one called "Bunch of Drunks" and I decide they are "right up my alley" based upon what I read. So I go to the app members page and for each of the 76 members listed it says "Last Seen = Never". Now that would put an end to any thoughts I had about joining that guild. Even though that guild may have had 12 players logged in at the moment, because they haven't installed the app, from what that new player is seeing, that guild is a "dead guild". (perhaps an explanation warranted here)
If the guilds had the ability to edit the list characteristics and define who is active and who is not, now that player knows that he is considering a guild that currently has 18 active players. They can send an IG mail or PM to people on that "active list" inquiring about membership with a reasonable expectation of getting a response. More importantly, he hasn't crossed the "Drunks" off the list of guilds he might be considering. Yes, if course we could just import the list from the API and edit out those folks, but when they resurface, I'd rather be able to make them active with click than clciking "add", typing names in and selcting rank.
See item 9 for suggest way to address this ... again if feasible.if it's feasible
Guild Home Page
Right now .... if scroll down to bottom of page I see "Last Activity" with a long list of data I can scroll thru
What I am suggesting ...
... if I scroll down to bottom of page I'd like to see "Last Activity (Hide)" and once I click "hide"
... that long list wont be there any more and I will just see "Last Activity (Unhide)". Whether I have that info taking up screen real estate depends on my choice at any give time.
Members Page:
Add:
No. of Members:
No. of Active Members
No. of Inactive Members:
Active Members List last edited: [date]
"Show / Hide Inactive Members" button
Again here it's all about easing screen clutter. Most times the list of inactive members is of no use so it's just in the way. But say I am a returning player an I wanna know say if an a old friend was in a certain guild is he still playing. If not in active list, I can open inactive member list... if not there, then it's likely they moved on to a new family.
Yeah, I think that would make lotta folks unhappy.
Can this be used to edit / change the MOTD ? Right now I just edit a text file because typing it fresh, with my typing skills, usually means doing it 3 times :)
Question: I would like to list our Alt Storage Guilds ... now when on the edit page I see "Alt guild to" ... which implies that this should be the Alt guild page and I should be putting "Fluffy Bunnies" in that space.
Do I have to create the pages for the alt guilds 1st, put FB in those pages to have them appear on the FB page ? EDIT: Well I tried it and it worked.
Those 10 items are things that, to my eyes, will improve the user experience and / or, make the even more useful. Now keep in mind I have no means by which to judge whether the added functionality is worth the T&E (time and effort) to provide them. So while I think that these would be useful and welcome additions to the app, they might just require too much T & E to make it worthwhile. So if something requires too much if atime investment, feel free to say "Stuff it Freddy, I have a life ya know" :)
Moniq
1 and 2 - Guild forum thread, guild web, related lore link... whatever. Yes, that will be added.
Super !
Moniq
3. Start page contains searching so you can quickly use the tool.
As does any web browser, but don't you think the "home page function" in a web browser is a useful function ? Same thing. One single action would be welcome for something that will be done repeatedly ... right now its 6 actions for me, ... click - 3 keystrokes (Flu)- click-click to select which of the 2 guilds come up. Now if it takes 3 hours of programming to make that happen, then I'll feel guilty whining about 6 actions
Moniq
4.a It's a tool for searching and browsing guilds, not social network :P I will allow users to create list of favorite guilds (that list will be available in your profile) and specify a list of friendly guilds to your guild (that list will be available in the guild profile).
There was nothing suggested about any type of social networking type activities so I think that metaphor is inappropriate. But as it has been defined as a "Guild Browser", the appropriate metaphor would be a web browser. And a web browser allows one to make bookmarks so as to provide a means to quickly access oft visited pages.
Moniq
4.b I think you misunderstand activities. It's just a log of actions related to the user (user was online, user updated guild profile, user added guild member...). Nothing else, mostly actions that did update your guild last activity date and time and the list of actions itself is not too important.
I understand what a logging file does, I guess I didn't explain my point clearly. My PC has lots of log files, but they are not taking up space on my screen all the time 24/7 when we are using programs and utilities. Under **default** settings they are there but hidden, you only see them when you click a button asking to see them. When I use Adobe Acrobat, AutoCAD or a Word Processor I can click on a button which will tell me a full history of all my document edits and when they were made. I have used that button maybe 3 times in over 25 years. If they were sitting there 24 / 7, it would just be taking up valuable screen real estate. If it's not serving a useful purpose, it's in the way.
We have Event Viewer in Windows and it's a fantastic tool. It logs all system events that occur on my PC. But, when I land at the Windows Home Screen, I don't have it sitting there with hundreds of lines filling the screen. I love that I can see them if I want to but when I don't, they are just in the way. So what I am suggesting if it can be accomplished without much effort is basic data visible by default, log file data by clicking a "show me more" button.
Moniq
6. Some options to specify guild origin (non-RP info) and date when the guild was originally established will be added.
Super Cool
Moniq
7. I will think about this. But honestly, this type of information is not important. Again, it's a tool primary to help others to find data about guilds. It is not important if Fyrosfreddy has new mek and what's it's name :P
Well perhaps it was a mistake to use a humorous example as I did. We can all think of silly things to put in a news section ... such as what body part the Kardashians have decided to put on display each day, but that doesn't make all "news" unimportant.
As you said, the goal of the app is for it to be a tool for new players to obtain info and be informed such that they can make choices about which guild to approach. I don't see that any of the following "news items" would be "unimportant" to players so I do not understand why this doesn't fall into the "to help others to find data about guilds" category
[i]"The [insert guild name here] guild has seen declining membership and will, at least temporarily be closing it's doors as of June 30 and merging with [insert guild name here]". The guild will remain as an alt / storage guild and, if we a resurgence of old members returning to game, we will reactivate it. Watch this space for news on that topic".[/insert]
[i]"The [insert guild name here] will be sponsoring periodic craft fairs, primarily for new players seeking to gear up. The first will be held June 15 at Cerakos Gate and will rotate around Atys as needed. Watch this space for future dates and locations".[/insert]
[i]The [insert guild name here] has been an active [insert faction name here] guild for over 4 years. However we are seeking a change of pace and are undergoing preparations go join the [insert faction name here] as of July 15".[/insert]
[i]"The [insert guild name here] has lately experienced a significant influx of new players and in order to be in a position to adequately address the needs of those new members, will not be accepting any new members until after July 30, 2017. Watch this space for updates."[/insert]
Moniq
8. Why? You import members to hide them afterwards? Just remove those you won't show. I will add more options like keep list of members up to date using API key or select those to include in one-time import.
Again, the goal of the tool is to provide accurate and usable information to new players. A guild that has been around for a long time will have many inactive players. These member are generally not deleted for various reasons say because every few months or years, they return for a stint and then take another "vacation from game". Or they may have say joined a year ago, but had budget issues, moved and they may or may not be coming back. If not seen for a certain time, many guilds cull the list after a certain time frame.
So if a new player is looking for a person to contact in that guild, a list that includes 50 players that haven't been around in 18 months serves no purpose, it's just "in the way". The clutter does make it harder to weed out the 15 active players from the list that is often well over 100 players.
On that note, it sounds like it may be impossible, but is there any way to make the player status not dependent on whether the players are / are not using the RyGReg app ?
Let's say I am looking for a Guild and I find one called "Bunch of Drunks" and I decide they are "right up my alley" based upon what I read. So I go to the app members page and for each of the 76 members listed it says "Last Seen = Never". Now that would put an end to any thoughts I had about joining that guild. Even though that guild may have had 12 players logged in at the moment, because they haven't installed the app, from what that new player is seeing, that guild is a "dead guild". (perhaps an explanation warranted here)
If the guilds had the ability to edit the list characteristics and define who is active and who is not, now that player knows that he is considering a guild that currently has 18 active players. They can send an IG mail or PM to people on that "active list" inquiring about membership with a reasonable expectation of getting a response. More importantly, he hasn't crossed the "Drunks" off the list of guilds he might be considering. Yes, if course we could just import the list from the API and edit out those folks, but when they resurface, I'd rather be able to make them active with click than clciking "add", typing names in and selcting rank.
See item 9 for suggest way to address this ... again if feasible.if it's feasible
Moniq
9. I don't understand, can you be more specific?
Guild Home Page
Right now .... if scroll down to bottom of page I see "Last Activity" with a long list of data I can scroll thru
What I am suggesting ...
... if I scroll down to bottom of page I'd like to see "Last Activity (Hide)" and once I click "hide"
... that long list wont be there any more and I will just see "Last Activity (Unhide)". Whether I have that info taking up screen real estate depends on my choice at any give time.
Members Page:
Add:
No. of Members:
No. of Active Members
No. of Inactive Members:
Active Members List last edited: [date]
"Show / Hide Inactive Members" button
Again here it's all about easing screen clutter. Most times the list of inactive members is of no use so it's just in the way. But say I am a returning player an I wanna know say if an a old friend was in a certain guild is he still playing. If not in active list, I can open inactive member list... if not there, then it's likely they moved on to a new family.
Moniq
10. MOTD is not displayed and I don't plan to. You see it because you are allowed to edit your guild details and this "tool" is there in case you need to copy and use it somewhere else.
Yeah, I think that would make lotta folks unhappy.
Can this be used to edit / change the MOTD ? Right now I just edit a text file because typing it fresh, with my typing skills, usually means doing it 3 times :)
Question: I would like to list our Alt Storage Guilds ... now when on the edit page I see "Alt guild to" ... which implies that this should be the Alt guild page and I should be putting "Fluffy Bunnies" in that space.
Do I have to create the pages for the alt guilds 1st, put FB in those pages to have them appear on the FB page ? EDIT: Well I tried it and it worked.
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