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If Ranger guilds want to take, buy, or negotiate for an OP thats fine. I might even have a q50 Greslin OP that might be for sale :P They would eventually need to defend or hire someone to defend the OP though if it is attacked.
What I understood of Freddy's hypothetical mission was that it would just reward OP mats, without actually obtaining an OP. This wouldn't make sense to me; how would a ranger mission/rite give out q250 egrios, for example, if that OP is already owned by another guild/faction. Did they sneak into someone's GH and steal it? Do the Rangers impose a tax on outposts?
I think the most logical stance on OPs for PvE players, Trytonists, and Marauders would be to destroy the OP system completely. The Kami and Kara created those drills just to incite division amongst homins and to reward conflict. If you are opposed to the religions and conflicts you should take the OPs and refuse to build a drill on them, not say you should have access to the materials without owning the OP.
Two things:
1. Your points are not responsive to the actual proposals put forth but create a new straw man which wasn't actually suggested.
2. You need to "look outside the bubble" that is the current rewards system and look at it from a) what the game was purported to be 12 years ago and b) what is possible.
No ... the suggestion that you have to "break in and steal it" is a facetious argument.
A. What is the basis of your supposition that Q250 Erigos is available at only 1 place on the planet ? Even w/o a big faction drill, enterprising homins would find a way to mine it tho less efficiently and therefore in smaller numbers. These would make their way to market vendors both legal and black market.
B. The planet has way way more than 28 OPs. The game opened in 2004 with just 28 OPs with the built in capability and stated intent of making more OPs live as when either a) population made it appropriate or b) storyline progressed. Given the limited quantity of different materials, these materials must be there.
C. In our own or any created world, if there is a demand for a product. means will be found to obtain the product whether legally or thru the black market. In our world, if someone wants boner pills, you can go thru proper channels and get a prescription or you can just order them online. In the game world, if 250 Erigos exists, it is totally illogical to assume that there will not be alternate sources available.
D. These mats are something currently obtained with the assistance of the higher powers. So, since a ranger can do any Kami / Kara missions, what logic dictates that a ranger could not do a kami / kara mission to obtain same ?
"Wipe out 10 Kitin patrols and the Kami / Kara will be extremely grateful to you and ... "
E. What logic dictates that the goals of the Rangers and Kara / Kara must never coincide ? Aren't K / K anti-kitin ? Why can't Rangers earn those same K / K points and earn rewards just as factioned players earn civilization based rewards ?
F. There are serious advantages to having 100 fame in a civilization; what logic dictates that there couldn't be an advantage to having max fame with all civilizations ? What if there was an Encyclopedia (Fame 50 requirement) rite that allowed you to get 1/4 of the ingredients to make say rubbarn and, like with the Restoration Specialist for NPC armor, you could spend points and dappers to get a single mat.
If i said I was going to watch the recently released [insert movie name here] tonight, would you say that "The stores are closed, what are you going to do break in and steal it ?". No, I'll just stream it from Netflix or one f the other (legal) services.
G. The Q50 Q50 Greslin straw man doesn't work for the reasons you stated. It would involve homin vs homin conflict. It also was not one actually suggested as a) it was clearly stated that the ranger Ops would have equivalent but not the same OP mats so this straw man fails there and b) the Ranger OPs could not be declared on so the scenario could not arise. The Ranger OPs would exist to defend kitin invasions (game mechanics already exist) ... so essentially the Kitins would be the declarers.
As defined, located next to kitin mounds, entrances to PR or near civilized areas, these OPs would be the 1st line of defense against invasions. Just like OP declares, a Kitin Observer would list the "declaration" by observing kitin activity nearby so as the OP owners could have time to prepare an appropriate defense which would include signing on defenders from potentially all factions who would in turn earn points / rewards for doing to ... tho obviously not at the rate that Rangers would .... much like someone who is 50-50-50-50 in racial fame doesn't get the same rate of reward as someone with 100 fame.
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