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Elvanae (atys)
Fyrosfreddy (atys)

I still don't understand why you talk about RP.

If both sides did not, at the time, approach the declares with RP in mind, how can you assert that RP is a valid reason for the declares? 

If you are trying to put a spin on it to say, well technically because we have all 'taken a side' that means we RP to a certain extent then yes, I can understand that. RP reasons do exist, but I posted a screenshot of the real reason for the attack being "to send TO a message". I do not see the point in discussing the possible reasons why the Kami declared when we know exactly why... what you are saying is a proposed explanation as to why it was ok to declare, but there was no active RP in it.

No one said that to respond an attack with an attack is wrong. The issue is that the response was not simply to attack in order to win the OP, it was to attack to "send a message" because they were unhappy with how their ticket's were handled.

I talk about RP for the many reasons stated, none of which you responded to. It's the same circular argument that you are objecting to one side responding to what they consider bad behavior with what you consider bad behavior. AGAIN, my post was not about this specific incident but the mindset which lets 100s of such incidents occur. I selected this thread, merely because it was the one that tipped the scales so to speak and felt that it was time to speak. I have said..... I think 3 times now, that my post is about THIS incident only to the extent that is just one of many symptoms resulting from using RP as an excuse for unpleasant behavior. I am saying that:

1. Walking by a dead character and not assisting because they are of other faction is bad behavior, RP is used as an excuse to make that OK.
2. Dictating who a player can or can not conduct activities with is bad behavior, RP is used as an excuse to make that OK.
3. Repeatedly attacking an OP without coming close to making it interesting is an unpleasant experience for those chained to the KB for 2 hours bored outta their skulls will see this as bad behavior, RP WAS in fact used as an excuse to make that OK.

I'm not saying that their motivations in taking the OP were RP driven. It has been stated here that the reasons for the repeated attacks was RP driven .... an RP excuse for unpleasant behavior. Please understand the distinction .... I am not suggesting RP was the motive for taking the OP, I wasn't at the meeting and didn't "get a memo". I am saying that ya can't excuse bad behavior with an RP excuse when RP provides the only excuse necessary to take an OP.

Did you look at the video I posted ? Now I would have said what the kid who was being harassed should have done is gone to the principal and get the behavior stopped. Now if the kid did that and the behavior continued, his response as shown in the video would have had absolutely nothing to do with what the principal did or did not do; it was because he chose to do what he thought necessary to make the behavior stop. I am certainly not suggesting that the kid's response was appropriate, but it's undeinable that the other kid certainly asked for it.

The defenders requested that the unpleasant behavior be stopped. When it wasn't, either by good manners or action of the GM's, they took what steps they felt necessary to stop it. There's no mystery here. On Ari, message being sent, that OP would be given back in a matter of weeks. But as there's no mechanism to do that under the fundamentalist RP stance that pervades, I don't see that happening.

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