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A word or two (okay maybe a little) on outposts

Victoriacamper (atys)
i think (and i'm just assuming) that that is not all that Elvanae meant, I think that on top of the proper alts, she was also speaking of the very common practice amongst the kamis of sharing accounts, if you mix that + the dexterity of some to control numerous toons at the same time.. well you have some advantage.

Hi, no I wasn't speaking about the sharing of accounts. It happens everywhere for different reasons, healing, CPing etc... It i a common practice full stop from all sides.
Gilgameesh (atys)
the only reason people leave Ryzom is the lack of freedom in the gameplay and NOT the lack of OP battles

I think this is an important factor if not the main reason. And what I was trying to say in my previous posts, is the growing necessity for players to have a strong understanding of PvP when it comes not only to battles but to SNs also. I can speak for myself and my Guild = PvPing isnt that hard. You get the proper gear and you set up the proper bars and after a few times of practice (which my guild has hosted in the Matis arena) you get a feel for it and understand how valuable it is. When I speak for my faction... when we first hosted the trainign sessions, the turn out was dissapointing although with time a couple more people joined. Some people either thought it was beneath them or else didn't want to because its not their gameplay. Now I cant force people to participate, although in Armas, the turnout is always generally high, I cannot just rely on building up my guild and disregarding the rest of the Karavan. A lot of guilds did/do something similar and left/leave the rest of us struggling behind.

What I will say, though, is because of this, I wanted to point out to Virg that their wanting to have fun will either have to wait until the player base of the Karavan changes or until (and I dont see it for the current players) the Karavan actually get to grips with PvP, because we can disregard Virg's guild - many of whom have worked VERY hard with their skills, but in general, the Kami are so much more in tune with PvPing. Ryzom's playerbase is not getting any bigger any time soon, so what you see is who we are. Does that mean we have no choice? No... I PvP... I thoroughly enjoy it in Void and SN's being in a group of people who know the basics of PvP too (amongst whom you will also find F2Ps) and I am still able to do all those things I love doing in Ryzom and PvEing. 

The choice is always there. Take Tuxi and Drogos who are, I would say, very PvE... And read Tuxi's post on her first PvP training session. People are too quick to look down their noses at it, think they know best and not bother coming or like Tuxi, be really anxious and feel like they are not good enough or cannot make a difference when they can and they do! So you know what... another reason people not only leave their faction but also the game is the lack of support and disregard for working together as a whole faction.
Naema (atys)
As for Tuxis comments, How can wannabe pvp'rs get to be good pvp'rs when they can hold any OP's or win any fights? they cant get the good mats which the richer do get richer.

OPs are not the be all and end all. In fact, the ability to trade with will increase because of the unbalance. I guess you could say you can put in the effort in other ways if you do not like to PvP. Regardless, I do agree with you to a certain extent... however, when I compare my gear to some of the people's I've PvPed with, its not all that fancy.. I don't have any boosted stuff and I use Exc mats in my gear/jewls/weapons recipes. But yet me and my team have won at 2v2, 3v3 etc. I remember at a not so long ago SN, it was exhilirating because we didnt wipe for a long time by using the skills we learnt at the PvP training session, so yes the work did pay off! :) I nearly cost Drezar 10 sups ^_^

Anyways, yes its upsetting to lose... yes you feel you are not good enough. I am there with you on that. But I do not plan to stop the training sessions, nor to trying to rebuild the Karavan. But I cannot do it alone and that is what I think Virg is trying to say @VictoriaNcamper. You can't have 5 people in a faction do it all alone and whoever is your main (I suspect you are probably an aggrieved Karavan) you should join us in our sessions because theres guilds on both sides that solo NPC bosses and the Karavan cannot afford to lose touch with one another, lets say it how it is.

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