Thanks to all for your comments and opinions! I'd like to respond to some:
Most importantly: Luciel, (and TalkIrc), I am not trying to veil anything, nor do I try to campaign against any player. The reason to start a second thread, simply is because a thread should be on one - and only one - topic, and I do not want to derail Talkirc's thread any more than it already has been. Maybe I should have linked to his thread in my opening statement. I did not want to, because several players already have done hreads about hints in the game in the past:
Just recently there's a how to sneak, there's a bit about crafting, and while we did not have a thread yet with the exact 100% recipes, we already had lots of threads on how to do the occupations, and how to be more effective on them. We also have threads where e.g. in the discussion of PvP vs PvE people enumerate how one could gain more rewards in one play style versus the other. Since this poll & thread shall be a general discussion on spoilers, I do not want to emphasize the 100% recipe thread, or neglect to mention the others. Maybe I should have left out the reference to "the other thread" completely.
So there's a problem in defining when some information is considered helpful and when it is considered being a spoiler. Personal tolerance levels vary, and this is honestly the reason why I opened this poll and why I intentionally left out more of my thoughts. I only tried to provide a few items to start the discussion off.
Please do not misinterpret personal accusations, or campaigning into this. Also I don't think this to be bickering. I know there's some bickering in the game - there always is when humans are involved. Because there's expectations and often those are not fulfilled, and then people get disappointed and have to vent their emotions. But after we're done with that we should be allowed to have a constructive discussion. I hope (and do think) that Talkirc knows from my previous posts, that I sometimes agree with him, sometimes I disagree, and of course, there's more text written by me when I disagree - this is not at all personal. And I'd dig nodes with him anytime ;) Btw, both my char and I are a "he". (but no offence taken, the name's not obvious, and I often have trouble remembering the gender of other characters, too)
It seems all responses so far were very factual, and this is actually the discussion I wanted to start. So thanks to all of you!
Re Casy:
Since I don't really play that much other games, and no other MMOG (role play nor non-roleplay), I find Casy's observation interesting, that no other game he knows of would allow these kind of spoilers on the forum. Maybe some others could comment on this?
Re Katla:
I very much like that proposal! It does take some discipline by the writer of some text to remember to colorize the actual sensitive information, but it nicely works around the problem of accidentally reading a spoiler when a thread is busy with discussions.
Maybe, since the forum is scripted, we could have an enhancement request to the CSRs here? The idea would be to "provide a button to automatically 'encrypt' the selected text by colorizing it dark grey on black, so that readers have to select the text to read it with inverted colors. We should have white pipe '|' or similar delimiters at the start and end of such a text to make such text easily visible and selectable."
Re RP-spoiler:
I'd like to get a clarification on what this actually is? I can understand if players don't want spoilers about future developments, leaked by CSRs or members of the Eventteam. I feel the same way. However, do you consider historical writeups to be spoilers as well? From the discussion until now this is unclear to me, and I think Jarnys asks this as well.
Most importantly: Luciel, (and TalkIrc), I am not trying to veil anything, nor do I try to campaign against any player. The reason to start a second thread, simply is because a thread should be on one - and only one - topic, and I do not want to derail Talkirc's thread any more than it already has been. Maybe I should have linked to his thread in my opening statement. I did not want to, because several players already have done hreads about hints in the game in the past:
Just recently there's a how to sneak, there's a bit about crafting, and while we did not have a thread yet with the exact 100% recipes, we already had lots of threads on how to do the occupations, and how to be more effective on them. We also have threads where e.g. in the discussion of PvP vs PvE people enumerate how one could gain more rewards in one play style versus the other. Since this poll & thread shall be a general discussion on spoilers, I do not want to emphasize the 100% recipe thread, or neglect to mention the others. Maybe I should have left out the reference to "the other thread" completely.
So there's a problem in defining when some information is considered helpful and when it is considered being a spoiler. Personal tolerance levels vary, and this is honestly the reason why I opened this poll and why I intentionally left out more of my thoughts. I only tried to provide a few items to start the discussion off.
Please do not misinterpret personal accusations, or campaigning into this. Also I don't think this to be bickering. I know there's some bickering in the game - there always is when humans are involved. Because there's expectations and often those are not fulfilled, and then people get disappointed and have to vent their emotions. But after we're done with that we should be allowed to have a constructive discussion. I hope (and do think) that Talkirc knows from my previous posts, that I sometimes agree with him, sometimes I disagree, and of course, there's more text written by me when I disagree - this is not at all personal. And I'd dig nodes with him anytime ;) Btw, both my char and I are a "he". (but no offence taken, the name's not obvious, and I often have trouble remembering the gender of other characters, too)
It seems all responses so far were very factual, and this is actually the discussion I wanted to start. So thanks to all of you!
Re Casy:
Since I don't really play that much other games, and no other MMOG (role play nor non-roleplay), I find Casy's observation interesting, that no other game he knows of would allow these kind of spoilers on the forum. Maybe some others could comment on this?
Re Katla:
I very much like that proposal! It does take some discipline by the writer of some text to remember to colorize the actual sensitive information, but it nicely works around the problem of accidentally reading a spoiler when a thread is busy with discussions.
Maybe, since the forum is scripted, we could have an enhancement request to the CSRs here? The idea would be to "provide a button to automatically 'encrypt' the selected text by colorizing it dark grey on black, so that readers have to select the text to read it with inverted colors. We should have white pipe '|' or similar delimiters at the start and end of such a text to make such text easily visible and selectable."
Re RP-spoiler:
I'd like to get a clarification on what this actually is? I can understand if players don't want spoilers about future developments, leaked by CSRs or members of the Eventteam. I feel the same way. However, do you consider historical writeups to be spoilers as well? From the discussion until now this is unclear to me, and I think Jarnys asks this as well.