I'm not sure if the amber-cube-fragments about the experiments of Nung Horongi with the Goo are for/from a Leanon-only-event or if maybe other servers had gotten the same information or parts of it... I have already quoted a link in one of my posts here, mentioning that this event has not really "ended" yet. Here's the link to the text-fragments of a letter from Nung Horongi to the marauder Melkiar once again: http://app.ryzom.com/app_forum/index.php?page=topic/view/13657/2# 2 No, sorry; I don't know of any English version.
When we're talking about "the Lore": in the official German Lore-pages (known as "Chronicles" on http://atys.ryzom.com/) we had also included some more recent events as part of our "history", that might have to be "rewritten" or deleted in the long run, or as Salazar commiserates :( http://atys.ryzom.com/projects/5/wiki/Chronologie2525.
When replying to Laofa's similar concerns "I think it was little spoil, one day, but everybody in aniro says it's the same... Can we re-write this ?" I did not mean any offense against Laofa; instead I wanted to emphasize that we ALL feel the same way about this! I upsets some. Still I suppose that no former server-specific Lore will be "safe" from subsequent changes in the future.
Just like Daomei I also think that the documents called the "Ryzom bible" are no longer the basic ideas behind the Lore, since the documents contain a lot of ideas that have in the meanwhile become completely different from the Lore we have of today.
A considerable number of players from former Leanon don't want anything from these documents quoted in forums or spoiled OOC in any way since they do not want to be influenced by these ideas in their own roleplay unconsciously and also do not want to see others basing their roleplaying on said "bible". Because of this we Ex-Leanon-players have been considerate not to quote anything from this "bible" :)
Even though Daomei will dislike this I wish to explain to Laofa why I have mentioned Icus:
First of all Icus' IC-theories about Goo as well as his rude OOC-words (!) uttered in front of the Event-Team implying that I as a player did't know "the Lore" have been the main reason for me to open up this thread. No, it was not only his "toon" speaking, but everything in brackets ( ) was OOC! Because of this I have posted the two parts of the chatlog in my 4th and 5th post.
During roleplay/Assemblies I am definitely not the one provoking nor starting OOC-comments "often". This would be a false accusation! Instead at many Assemblies it was Icus who was the first one to start OOC-discussions or use OOC-comments; not only during the last Assembly in Zora - as you can read for yourself in the chatlog.
The second chatlog I posted confirms that it was Feylin who started to talk OOC with the Sage Sens about destroying the Goo. (I wish she didn't because I could have called her questioning the Sage Sens's words by later on asking Tao Sian about destroying Goo to confirm "the truth" as being disrespectful towards the Sage :p)
I myself nearly never used any OOC-comments during RP-events during all the years I have played Ryzom on Leanon! Still I am not saying that OOC-comments as especially Ex-Aniro-player are using so often nowadays should be seen as "mistakes"; since they could help us to solve our differences - not only Lore-wise. At least this would be the case amongst grown-ups who use to treat others with respect and civility; but it gets difficult when having to respond to a griefer... (edited)
Last - and essentially - I wanted to name Icus as an example for my reply to Feylin's claiming that she allegedly "notices each detail and points it out". Feylin did pick on me rather often when she thought I made a mistake; that much is true! Even though Feylin definitely is not MY mother! (edited to be a bit fairer, not like this happens EVERY time) However I have never experienced Feylin treating anyone else in this lecturing, overly didactic way that she uses towards me. Especially Icus: he is even supported in his griefing ways by Feylin passively...
I don't think that a sentence that ends with "sorry" (!) should be viewed as "going too far" or as "worse" than a sentence phrased with "seem" - especially since what I said was used to defend the freedom of many and varied theories against one dogmatic but illogical doctrine "How could them teach something they cannot use themselves ... So homin magic being efficient against Goo, while Kami magic can't ? Doesn't seem to make sense." Or as Laofa puts it even stronger: "It's fact in aniro that kami and homin use same kind of magic."
However is this "fact" also part of the Lore of Aniro in any of the Chronicles on http://atys.ryzom.com/ ?
I really hope it's not! I would not want to impersonate a character belonging to a whole race of liars who are sworn to "fight" against the Goo, but still refuse to use the known method - fire like in the forges of the Fyros - against it; and who instead irresponsibly discharge Goo on a large scale at the nature of the rims of the Witherings, thus turning vast areas into giant garbage dumps; even though the Zorai have sworn to respect nature...
If doing this was considered "wisdom" and fulfilling the promise to "cleanse THE LAND" Zhoi herself would not want to be a Zorai any longer for even a day...
When we're talking about "the Lore": in the official German Lore-pages (known as "Chronicles" on http://atys.ryzom.com/) we had also included some more recent events as part of our "history", that might have to be "rewritten" or deleted in the long run, or as Salazar commiserates :( http://atys.ryzom.com/projects/5/wiki/Chronologie2525.
When replying to Laofa's similar concerns "I think it was little spoil, one day, but everybody in aniro says it's the same... Can we re-write this ?" I did not mean any offense against Laofa; instead I wanted to emphasize that we ALL feel the same way about this! I upsets some. Still I suppose that no former server-specific Lore will be "safe" from subsequent changes in the future.
Just like Daomei I also think that the documents called the "Ryzom bible" are no longer the basic ideas behind the Lore, since the documents contain a lot of ideas that have in the meanwhile become completely different from the Lore we have of today.
A considerable number of players from former Leanon don't want anything from these documents quoted in forums or spoiled OOC in any way since they do not want to be influenced by these ideas in their own roleplay unconsciously and also do not want to see others basing their roleplaying on said "bible". Because of this we Ex-Leanon-players have been considerate not to quote anything from this "bible" :)
Even though Daomei will dislike this I wish to explain to Laofa why I have mentioned Icus:
First of all Icus' IC-theories about Goo as well as his rude OOC-words (!) uttered in front of the Event-Team implying that I as a player did't know "the Lore" have been the main reason for me to open up this thread. No, it was not only his "toon" speaking, but everything in brackets ( ) was OOC! Because of this I have posted the two parts of the chatlog in my 4th and 5th post.
During roleplay/Assemblies I am definitely not the one provoking nor starting OOC-comments "often". This would be a false accusation! Instead at many Assemblies it was Icus who was the first one to start OOC-discussions or use OOC-comments; not only during the last Assembly in Zora - as you can read for yourself in the chatlog.
The second chatlog I posted confirms that it was Feylin who started to talk OOC with the Sage Sens about destroying the Goo. (I wish she didn't because I could have called her questioning the Sage Sens's words by later on asking Tao Sian about destroying Goo to confirm "the truth" as being disrespectful towards the Sage :p)
I myself nearly never used any OOC-comments during RP-events during all the years I have played Ryzom on Leanon! Still I am not saying that OOC-comments as especially Ex-Aniro-player are using so often nowadays should be seen as "mistakes"; since they could help us to solve our differences - not only Lore-wise. At least this would be the case amongst grown-ups who use to treat others with respect and civility; but it gets difficult when having to respond to a griefer... (edited)
Last - and essentially - I wanted to name Icus as an example for my reply to Feylin's claiming that she allegedly "notices each detail and points it out". Feylin did pick on me rather often when she thought I made a mistake; that much is true! Even though Feylin definitely is not MY mother! (edited to be a bit fairer, not like this happens EVERY time) However I have never experienced Feylin treating anyone else in this lecturing, overly didactic way that she uses towards me. Especially Icus: he is even supported in his griefing ways by Feylin passively...
I don't think that a sentence that ends with "sorry" (!) should be viewed as "going too far" or as "worse" than a sentence phrased with "seem" - especially since what I said was used to defend the freedom of many and varied theories against one dogmatic but illogical doctrine "How could them teach something they cannot use themselves ... So homin magic being efficient against Goo, while Kami magic can't ? Doesn't seem to make sense." Or as Laofa puts it even stronger: "It's fact in aniro that kami and homin use same kind of magic."
However is this "fact" also part of the Lore of Aniro in any of the Chronicles on http://atys.ryzom.com/ ?
I really hope it's not! I would not want to impersonate a character belonging to a whole race of liars who are sworn to "fight" against the Goo, but still refuse to use the known method - fire like in the forges of the Fyros - against it; and who instead irresponsibly discharge Goo on a large scale at the nature of the rims of the Witherings, thus turning vast areas into giant garbage dumps; even though the Zorai have sworn to respect nature...
If doing this was considered "wisdom" and fulfilling the promise to "cleanse THE LAND" Zhoi herself would not want to be a Zorai any longer for even a day...
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