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#1 Multilingual 

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Missions and fame: what about future and future ex-marauders?

Dear players,

We will very soon balance the traditional missions by reducing the loss of fame per mission for non-marauders, as explained here.
Indeed, the amount of the loss of fame will be reduced to 0.3% of the acquired fame for non-marauders, and to 3% for Marauders.

However, this fix will not take into account the following cases:
  • A future marauder wishing to lose nation and faction fame in order to be able to pass the marauder's rite;
  • A marauder wishing to leave his faction, and thus gain nation and faction fame.

We are currently looking for ideas to take into account the two cases above. If you have any suggestions, then please let us know in response to this thread.

Please note that any off-topic messages will be moderated to keep the discussion constructive.

Last edited by Tamarea (1 year ago)

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#2 [en] 

( I think there is a mistake above : non-marauders may loose 0.3% fame max per mission, while marauders may loose 3% max per mission. The goal of marauders is to loose fame ).

(I think also anyone can win 3% fame per mission. Including marauders when they will have mission that give mara fame (to go above 50% ))

#3 [en] 

Tamarea
  • A marauder wishing to leave his faction, and thus gain nation and faction fame.

I did some test on wandering NPC. Those who are outside cities and tribes.

They may be linked with a tribe or the local governement.
In the last case they ask you to be above zero.

BUT, I met also a fyros scout in jungle Purity Haven (Xarius Zessen). She didn't ask to be above zero fame to help her. I was able to win little fyros fame.

=> it seems that when a NPC is outside his country, he doesn't check fame.

Later, I went in Frahar Tower, I met a fyros patroller (Cekos Lyseus). The window say she did not ask any fame too. I did a green mission and get the max (18000pt) fyros fame.

=> patrollers may be special. They are moving a lot, hard to find.

conclusion : I think the solution for recovering nation fame is already in the game ! just we don't know the missions.

To recover K/K fame, I think it would demand to help certain tribes which are positively seens by power. For example helping black circle to get kara fame. But we need to check the requirement.

Edited 2 times | Last edited by Namcha (1 year ago)

#4 [fr] 

A marauder can leave the faction and start to win same fame than non marauders. No any problem with that.

About the future marauders, we need a way to identify a player who want to be marauder. With title, item or any other way.
Using a mission where player want to be marauder and NPC explain he need lose fame in all nation/faction and give them the identifier.

#5 [en] 

I see, so he needs to meet kind of a mara recruiter, then he will have something that removes the loss cap of 1800pt

After, he would need to help some of the bellicose tribes (which will became mara btw)

But those one are not easy to approach (region level + hostility). However it may depend your race.

Same as for winning fame, one should not forget about finding wandering NPCs, instead of heading to tribe's camp.

For example in outlaw canyon I was able to met a scout (Hon Di-Shuan) "friend of the lawless" that allow me to win the maximum fame with lawless (18000) without having already good reputation with them, so a way to get more missions later.

However, we need to decide at which level a player should be able to do this ?

Last edited by Namcha (1 year ago)

#6 [en] 

Tamarea
the amount of the loss of fame will be reduced to 3% of the acquired fame for non-marauders, and to 0.3% for Marauders.
Uh, yes, it is opposite, 3% for Marauders and 0.3% for others. My bad proofreading, sorry.

Namcha
it seems that when a NPC is outside his country, he doesn't check fame.
Scouts, Patrollers and Jorneymen should not have any fame requirements. It is a way how to gain fame when your actual fame is terrible.

Ulukyn
A marauder can leave the faction and start to win same fame than non marauders. No any problem with that.
Yes, but with fames all close to -100 it will make your life pretty complicated.

#7 [en] 

My original idea was to create a small mission where you can declare/revoke enmity to nations or factions (by getting/removing special invisible item in bag to identify this fact, invisible like occupation "badge items" are). After some thinking I realize we alredy have this by the NPC where you can revoke your citizenship/allegiance.

We can use this way to get/remove that invisible item (that indentifies you wish to loose fame) and we should finally fix the fact you can do this action again and again to loose your fame cheaply.

Last edited by Moniq (1 year ago) | Reason: typo

#8 Multilingual 

*DEL*

Direct attacks will not be tolerated, this topic is a sharing of ideas, not a settling of scores

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*DEL*

Same motive

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Same motive, same post again.

The attack is in your mind CSR(?) Tykus, you should carry on and check the rest of the forum instead of creating by yourself meaningless pseudo-attack.

Lorist and Dev discuss here something that is already settled since 2 years (to be fair 1,5 year).
While we wonder the seriousness of this, a reminder is needed.

I invite you(them) to check the pad which i shall remind you all, was the work of numerous Marauder's that are long time gone now, due to the abandon of the faction and promise that never came.
Its just respect to use their work at least.

This: https://cloud.ryzom.com/f/472
and this: https://cloud.ryzom.com/f/16255
and also this: https://board.ryzom.com/?controller=BoardViewController&actio n=show&project_id=87
and also also this: https://board.ryzom.com/?controller=BoardViewController&actio n=show&project_id=39

This is my idea, and i decide to share it here, thank to respect this alike to respect the work of ancient players.

Edited 5 times | Last edited by Revvy (1 year ago)

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#9 [fr] 

Here the links of the Marauder Project posted by Revvy before the censure:
This: https://cloud.ryzom.com/f/472
and this: https://cloud.ryzom.com/f/16255
and also this: https://board.ryzom.com/?controller=BoardViewController&actio n=show&project_id=87
and also also this: https://board.ryzom.com/?controller=BoardViewController&actio n=show&project_id=39

#10 [en] 

That is pointless while others including me can't access those documents.

#11 [en] 

Moniq
That is pointless while others including me can't access those documents.

These links are not for you Moniq, and was a direct answer to the OP :)

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#12 [en] 

While no one can read it and while I see nothing realted to the topic, I see no reason why you not share your links with whoever in a private message. No idea what you mean by "OP".

This thread is asking players about their ideas and opinions about the current fame loss adjustment. Please respect that.

#13 Multilingual 

Why the heck this post is open for all as this post must be only Matter for Marauders as we dont have any opnion in for other faction why others can try to show there great opnions in ours? @Moniq are y a Marauder if not keep shut up pls i see y try to put your nose in all posts some good way but and some just try to show off how much you know about Atys, to much crap from many of you who are not even active but yes have a big mouth with big opnions, shhhhhhhhhhh

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#14 [en] 

Moniq
No idea what you mean by "OP".

OP... Original Poster... Tamarea... NOT you!

@Agan - I know that this may be a foreign concept to you, but some folks care about game balance even for factions that are not their own. Maybe it's altruism, maybe they have a secret mara alt. In any event, there is plenty of reason to have this conversation in the open.

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#15 [es] 

Agan
Why the heck this post is open for all as this post must be only Matter for Marauders as we dont have any opnion in for other faction why others can try to show there great opnions in ours? @Moniq are y a Marauder if not keep shut up pls i see y try to put your nose in all posts some good way but and some just try to show off how much you know about Atys, to much crap from many of you who are not even active but yes have a big mouth with big opnions, shhhhhhhhhhh

It's a bit hypocritical to cry when mara are exclude from event, then cry when people talk about mara evolution and project and ask to exclude them from debate.And this topic do not only matter for marauders, it's about the game, so everybody is concern.And, please, stay polite.

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