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#16 Report | Quote[en] 

Just circling back to the original topic:

Should you ever publicly shame anyone, for any reason?
Probably not.

Have I ever done it?
Definitely, although that was limited mostly to OP wars region chat :)

Is publicly shaming any more effective than submitting a ticket?
Not really- unless you enjoy harassment, but you don't since that is the reason you felt outraged in the first place...

Is publicly shaming disruptive to the rest of the community?
10000% yes, and this would be my biggest reason to not do it.

Is there an alternative?
Aside from a ticket, if the player is part of a guild or faction, there may be an officer or other reputable individual that you could ask to mediate or maybe educate the other player if inexperience is a factor in the behavior...

Just my two dappers, good luck!

#17 Report | Quote[en] 

Mithian
And, the conclusion is: Marauders players have for 90% of the communauty a bad reputation. Why ? Because they are Marau, they are bad peoples or will obviously act in a bad way. And, to this, i would say: N.O

I've found that faction has less to do with it than how strongly RP one is. I have friends and enemies in all factions, and most of the problems I've had over the years were from hardcore RP-ers (of all factions) who took issue with me doing things like training with non-Karavan folks, being non-Karavan in a Karavan guild, daring to talk to them while displaying the flag of a Karavan guild, taking up arms against other homins while being a Ranger... basically for simply not having the exact same interpretation of lore that they do and taking it as seriously as they do. Yes, a few of them are Marauders, but when you adjust for the relative populations of each faction, such behavior seems to be pretty evenly spread across all factions.

Mithian
And, another important thing to remind to people is: No, if people choosed to play bad guy by RP, they are not just asses. They just decided to play the game a different way you did want to.

You skipped the part about insulting people for not treating Ryzom as more performance art than game. When the deeeeeeeep-RP crowd starts showing a little respect for those who aren't committed method actors then I'll agree. Until that day though, I think the "just decided to play the game a different way" argument is a lame excuse.

Mithian
What means: I can be salty or harsh with you, it don't mean i hate the PERSON you are, it means MITHIAN don't like your TOON.

That may fly with those who are all about the immersion and have their toons as 150% totally, utterly, and completely separate entities from the person at the keyboard, but the more casual folks who don't have nearly as big a divide between themselves and their toon WILL take that sort of thing personally. Those folks will also take a toon doing dishonorable things to mean that the person controlling them has no honor either. Be as salty and harsh as you want with those those who are as serious about RP as you, but also try to respect those who are not like you and recognize that many who are not you might take a slight against their toon as an attack against them.

Mithian
The Ryzom communauty was used to be friendly, RP wise, but, for an obvious reason ( Hey, merge ) it did changed. Because different way to play, different way to see things ( by IRL culture, i suppose ) and, that's a bit sad.

Yes, Merge changed things. It's been a few years though, so it's well past time for pre-merge players to accept that they now share a server with those from other servers who do things differently. Ryzom cannot be friendly again unless/until we acknowledge and respect our differences instead of trying to bend others to our will in a vain attempt to turn back the clock and make Atys a mirror of whatever server one played pre-merge.

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#18 Report | Quote[en] 

@Gidget

I agree it happen most of the times with Frenchies, since we mostly were used to play that way when EN/DE was more carebear.

But, yeah, when i read that some player say only Easter, Atysmas etc are for them the RP Event...I quite lose hope to Humanity. ( Well, a bit of salt isn't something bad :P )

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The point is: I will not treat non RP players and RP ones differently simply cuz for Mithian, you all are Homin and he'll see them as that, and not as the person/player he don't know, at least on RP chan ( /around ).

And if the Tryker is cold and harsh, the player may be a little troll sometimes ( Hey, Uni chan, or, even /t ). Don't mean i'll be a troll anytime,as i'm not trolling here while explaining my point of view about it. ;)

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So yup, the merge was on 2012, so, a bit of time ago, now, but, nothing changed till that. I still can read the same complains as i did when the merge was a new thing.

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I will talk for myself on this, but, if it happen once i'm rude or just talking with you on /around without using ( )* that's Mithian who talk to Gidget, and not the player talking to the other player.

* ( ) are used to mark the fact that's the player who talk, totally our of RP.Tho, only on around chan since it's supposed to be the only RP chan.

#19 Report | Quote[en] 

Mithian
I will talk for myself on this, but, if it happen once i'm rude or just talking with you on /around without using ( )* that's Mithian who talk to Gidget, and not the player talking to the other player.

* ( ) are used to mark the fact that's the player who talk, totally our of RP.Tho, only on around chan since it's supposed to be the only RP chan.

Who says "Around" is the only RP channel, and () indicates OOC? Est-ce un truc d'Aniro? I started a few months after Merge, and usually only at times when most Europeans are offline (I'm 9 hours behind Paris), so I have practically no idea. What I do know is that I have very rarely seen () denoting OOC in the six years I have been here, and have seen RP in roughly equal amounts in all channels. If I can make it this long without that knowledge, it's easy to imagine that there are a fair number of players who wouldn't necessarily know what you just taught me, and you might not have a chance to explain until after you had already offended them to the point where then may not listen to anything you have to say.

And that brings us back around to folks having different ideas on many things, like how to RP, whether or not agro-dragging or publicly bad-mouthing others is acceptable, whether Rangers can do anything that may harm a homin, and all sorts of other things that are an endless source of friction between players. Players are diverse enough that it's unwise to assume that those halfway around the world from you will have nearly the same views you do on such things. We have enough folks that are intentionally awful that we really don't need any additional conflict caused by simple culture clash!

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#20 Report | Quote[en] 

Who says "Around" is the only RP channel, and () indicates OOC?

[EN]
These are the conventions used by event team during RP event.
May be, it should be told more widely in the CoC for example...
[FR]
Ce sont les conventions qu'utilise l'équipe d'animation.
Il faudrait peut être le diffuser plus largement, dans le code de conduite par exemple...

#21 Report | Quote[en] 

Kyriann explaned it well ;)

And, around is supposed to be the only RP channel since that's where your toon talk or shout, where you can use emote.

Region, Universe, LanguageUni and Faction ones aren't used for RP for most of players.

About the players who use ( ) , idk if there is a lot using it, for myself and most of CSN, it's used at the least.

#22 Report | Quote[en] 

Hello,

Lets start with reminding you all about the following points from the Ryzom Code of Conduct (CoC):

"A. Disagreement with another player
In the case of a disagreement with another player, you are expected to try to find to an amicable settlement yourselves. A ticket should be a recourse of last resort; it should only be sent if you are not able to resolve the situation and a third party needs to become involved.
If you have to resort to sending the above-mentioned ticket, it is important to take screenshot(s), depending on the situation, for further reference. It is essential that the screenshot(s) show(s) the entire in-game screen and has not been changed in any way (censorship or anything else) in order to be considered acceptable. It has to show clearly the violation that you want to point out. Note that a screenshot showing the open map allows us to see the Atysian date, which is easily transposable to a real date. We also accept videos. For any other questions, you can contact us directly in game through a /tell if a CSR is online, through Rocket Chat, or through an e-mail sent to support@ryzom.com.
N.B. Any abuse of the ticket system will be documented and sanctioned."

and

"The Support Team
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Members of Support are in charge of solving the various problem related to the game (technical, disciplinary, etc.). They must behave with politeness and courtesy at all times. If you have a disagreement with a member, you can address a complaint, duly documented, to support@ryzom.com which will be forwarded to the head of Support. Any unfair complaint against a member of Support may be subject to a sanction.
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The Support Team is subject to strict rules that prohibit them from teaming, exchanging with, dueling with any player, or resurrecting them. These rules also forbid them from using their powers for any purpose other than those defined within the context of their function, under risk of removal of their CSR account, or even their player account. In addition, CSRs are not allowed to process tickets involving their own player guilds or characters.

In accordance with these rules, control tools record all critical commands used by CSRs (as well as members of other teams) and display them internally for real-time control by all. Each connection of a member of Support (and of other teams) is also visible so that everyone can verify that no one has usurped their account."
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Now lets get back to the point of this thread: Public shaming

According to the CoC, this is not how we like to solve problems between players. It can be reported as harassment and this would be counterproductive to the aim of posting public shaming messages in public channels and on forums. Violence against the CoC should be documented as much as possible and reported. I know it is rather difficult to take good screenshots while running for your life chased by five Vorax and a Jugula, but in order to have proof of the violation, we do need this. As for the impression that some players constantly reports other players for violence against the CoC, this is clearly not based on facts. At least not facts that are easily verified by looking at the tickets we receive.

I do agree that the CoC is not easy to uphold as long as the game mechanics are not designed to work with it on a more automatic approach. We have tried to rectify some of it by changing the game mechanics, but we are limited to work within a very old game code and our options are not as good as we would wish in this respect. So this leaves us with the current newly revised CoC and the necessity of players reporting offences against it.

The history of our CoC is long and it has been revised a number of times. It is an intrinsic part of the history of Ryzom and it is for good and bad a reason we have the community we do and why Ryzom is known as a game with a lets call it softer side than pure PvP games. I see some of you are calling for a free for all use of game mechanics, full PvP etc, but this would not be Ryzom for most of our players.

Some have also raised a question about the impartiality of CSRs in this thread and implies that our powers are abused. I would like to ask you to report any abuse you come across according to the rule posted in the beginning of my reply. I would also like to ask you not to spread rumors and hearsay without facts in public channels, but again, contact support via email instead. Support also have a long history starting before the game went retail and it has changed with different owners, leaders, varying number of servers and languages. Currently we are better organised than ever before and have better tools. We are running according to strict rules and any abuse of powers are dealt with accordingly. Any sanction involving suspensions are discussed and evidence thoroughly examined before they are put into effect and minor sanctions are monitored. Based on my own experience with Support from the start, I can safely say we have never run a tighter ship than we do now.

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Tiximei
Senior Game Master
Ryzom Support Team

#23 Report | Quote[en] 

Kyriann
[EN]
These are the conventions used by event team during RP event.
May be, it should be told more widely in the CoC for example...

Look at what time most events happen then ask yourself how many folks will be online at 10am on a weekday instead of at work/school. There are reasons that a lot of American/Canadian players don't attend many RP event or OP battles. Not that I expect the event team to stay up until 4am to cater to us, mind you, but it is worth reminding folks that there are a fair number of players who are more than a couple of time zones away from CET.

Mithian
And, around is supposed to be the only RP channel since that's where your toon talk or shout, where you can use emote.

Region, Universe, LanguageUni and Faction ones aren't used for RP for most of players.

I think I missed that meeting. Or maybe I skipped that training in Silan, or the Izam that had that message tied to it's leg got eaten on it's way to me. In any case, this is the first time I've heard that. Maybe someone could write a "Ryzom etiquette for new players" thread to educate those of us who never played on Leanon or during EU primetime when things are (apparently) different?

Tiximei
... Ryzom is known as a game with a lets call it softer side than pure PvP games. I see some of you are calling for a free for all use of game mechanics, full PvP etc, but this would not be Ryzom for most of our players.

One of the reasons I've stayed here so long is precisely because the PvP is a bit different than, say, GTA5 or EVE Online. I could see most of Prime Roots (which are already PvP zones) being a bit more anarchistic, but I feel that homins should be able to walk the surface regions without the threat of being ganked by some foul-mouthed 12-year-old. Those who wish to add an element of danger to their gameplay all over Atys are free to tag up, but PvP outside of PR should remain strictly opt-in.

Maybe we could compromise by making PR a little more lawless to balance the (arguably excessive) safety of the surface regions to satisfy both sides?

Tiximei
I know it is rather difficult to take good screenshots while running for your life chased by five Vorax and a Jugula...

It gets easier with practice :)

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#24 Report | Quote[fr] 

on devrait pouvoir utiliser la totalité de l'environnement à notre guise. Ca ne ferait que favoriser l'entraide entre joueur pour justement contrer cet environnement qui nous en veut. Parce que oui... le but est bien évidemment de jouer les uns avec/contre les autres dans un MMO.

+1

#25 Report | Quote[en] 

Gidget
and () indicates OOC?

It's accepted RP practice in my experience to put parentheses around OOC comments.

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Elder Of Atys

Chasing the DING!
katriell
You can't "complete" the mainland. If one thinks one has seen or done everything there, one is kidding oneself. But be prepared to "get out what you put in," because the mainland does not coddle or hold hands.
Remickla (atys)
Other games - they give you a cookie whether you succeed or not, in fact you don't even have to participate. Ryzom takes your cookie, eats it in front of you, and slaps you 2 or 3 times for bringing a cookie in the first place.
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