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#121 [en] 

As one who is chronically left out of these meetings because they occur around mid-day when I am either working or (on weekends) doing the errands I cannot do on other days, I just wanted to put my two dappers worth in here.

Normally, I would be opposed to teleporting meks. However, there is one thing that makes me conditionally favor it; the unique issues of getting a mek to/from Lakes, whether through Fount/BB/ToT or Loria/HH. Going between Desert and either Jungle or Forest is simpler, easier, and quicker than entering/leaving Lakes. Then again, I hesitate to make any suggestions because I know for a fact that some folks are all for doing away with any and all inter-regional transportation systems other than running and mekback, so I expect anything that eliminates the need for a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong trek, even for those who made the trip so many times that they address each pebble, grass blade, and sand grain along the way by name, will meet with the sort of opposition that I just don't feel like fighting :/

I wholeheartedly agree with Luminatrix on occupation products . Most folks I know have absolutely no incentive whatsoever to do occupations at at all since the removal of faction point rewards for them. A few may use the q60/q70 scrolls, and I know a smaller handful that use Larvester produce, but I can count on one hand the number of people I have met who have ever had any use for any of the other products aside from "selling" them for faction points. Even then, the only ones who went past Grade 2 were Scrollmakers, completionists, and the truly bored. Whether they are actually useful items is irrelevant; the simple fact is that not many use them, period. I doubt the occupation-related sections of the Daily Missions will really change that either. Accordingly, I am of the opinion that unless occupation products get an overhaul or the Daily Mission rewards are stupendous, occupation-related missions and NH turn-ins can be placed on the back burner. There is no sense fixing something that will see less use than the Prospector missions.

If I'm reading the Daily Missions right about using the server time as the reference point, just bear in mind that East coast Americans/Canadians will have UTC cross that midnight line to a new day in the middle of their prime time. That may cause unintended consequences, so choose the daily mission timer offset wisely ;)

And lastly, congratulations to all the Marauders out there for this major step forward!

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#122 [en] 

Teleportation technology is based on the seed of life, and mektoubs don't have one.

Daily mission will use server time but the change won't be midnight UTC. More something like morning in Europe. It is yet to define.

#123 [en] 

@Moniq french version is up now. I can't seem to fix the format though, each edid causes more and more problems so I'll leave it for some more expert hands :)

Yaandor
You posted a refernce link to cloud.ryzom.com ; however I can't log into it. Is this something that players can look at or is it developers only?
And now the link is apparently gone from the post. So much for my question I guess...

The link was posted during meeting, not sure who can access it and who can't :)

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#124 [en] 

Namcha
Teleportation technology is based on the seed of life, and mektoubs don't have one.

I always assumed something like that for the Kami (I assumed that the Karavan used their ships and didn't want to get them full of mek poop).

I used to think that NH worked similar to the Kama. However, after the last set of patches, the NH folks specifically tell me that they are preparing a mount for me. Then, I get a cut scene display showing a toon on a mount with *gasp* a packer following it and *double.gasp* other toons on foot. The take away from all of that is that NH is NOT using some magical means of teleporting me around.

So what is the RP reason that NH won't let my own mount and packers tag alone? Are they just mean spirited? Don't they like their fellow Homins? I'd be perfectly willing to pay extra to move my packers between Windermeer and Avendale.

I tend ot think of NH as the local inter-city bus line and the Kami/Kara as the cross- country train. It makes sense to me that NH doesn't transport between nations; it's far to dangerous and can't be done without encountering deadly kitins. The current routes within nations (at least for Lakes - I've never been anywhere else) can be traveled in perfect safety.

The way things work currently, letting NH transport a players mount and packers would make perfect sense and fit within any kind of RP definition.

Just my thoughts.

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#125 [en] 

Namcha
Teleportation technology is based on the seed of life, and mektoubs don't have one.

Daily mission will use server time but the change won't be midnight UTC. More something like morning in Europe. It is yet to define.

That's a hard argument to sell to an atheist ;)

If it helps pick a time, remember that those of us in the Pacific time zone (West coast Americans) get our nightly Please Wait storm around 19:45-ish; about mid-evening. Those in the Midwest get it a little later, but still during peak time.

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#126 [en] 

@yaandor : I think you better ask this in a new topic, like ideas section.

Last edited by Namcha (5 months ago)

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Ryzom Forge meeting report - 8. 7. 2019

Tamarea 19:37
Here is the agenda:
1 - Classical missions, occupations and NH
2 - Marauder gameplay
3 - Ranger rite
4 - Recruitment

1 - Classical missions, occupations and NH

Tamarea, 19:39 UTC:
During the JY2603 patch, we started the implementation of a project to (re)highlight the game's 11,000 missions ( https://app.ryzom.com/app_forum/index.php?page=topic/view/29797/1 ).
However, it turned out that through overenthusiasm, we went a little too fast and withdrew the rewards of the old NH version a little too early, before we had properly upgraded and balanced the missions and occupations.

As a result, we have decided to bring the old version of NH back into play *temporarily*, which will allow us to:
  • no longer penalize players because of a release of the new version of NH made before missions and occupations are revalued and balanced
  • to give us time to revalue and properly balance the traditional missions and occupations.

Then we will put back in place the current version of NH.
Riasan (dev) is working this week to recode the old version of NH and it will be tested this weekend.

Q: In what way NH rewards were undervalued? The role of NH is transport, note providing of nation points.
A: It is the rewards of classical missions that are undervalued.

Lumae 19:49 UTC:
Don't know if my question is relevant for missions modifications, but it seems to me that when the merge occurred, the idea was to boost economy again. Namely give to dappers a value. It seems we come back to MP as means of exchange in Ryzom. That I link to missions, among other features.
Shylai 19:49 UTC:
Nation points have to be given again. Because no points means no crystals, and no crystals means no pex.
Or the loss of nation points from NH have to be replaced by some counterpart.
Sinvaders 19:50 UTC:
To be unable to pex without crystals is an other issue than that of economy.
Shylai 19:50 UTC:
No. Thats just a commodity, not a goal per se.
Lumae 19:50 UTC:
It seems to me missions give too much dappers (not enough at low level, too much at high level).
Tykus 19:52 UTC:
To be precise, the most valuable advantage of NH was nation points, not dappers, useful to buy crystals or generic materials. We take on an enhancement of Atys missions which NH is part of. But as long as rebalancing is not completed, players miss nation points badly.
Rizyinshi 19:58 UTC:
maybe reward points could be given as it doesn't effect nation fame anymore
Shylai 20:02 UTC:
i'm talking about individual rp mechanism (without reroll) not for me
Sinvaders 20:03 UTC:
@Shylai, gameplay mechanism not rp mechanism :)
Bubbason 20:05 UTC:
Tykus 19:52 UTC:
To be precise, the most valuable advantage of NH was nation points, not dappers, useful to buy crystals or generic materials. We take on an enhancement of Atys missions which NH is part of. But as long as rebalancing is not completed, palayers miss nation points badly.
I disagree
Tamarea 20:09 UTC:
I remind that the move back to the old version of NH is temporary only. As soon as the missions and occupations will be revalued and balanced, we'll put again the current version of NH.
Rissa 20:11 UTC:
The rewards in nation points or dappers should depend of time spent, the one in fame only of completed missions.
Tamarea 20:18 UTC:
Another reaction before to move to next topic?
An official announcement on this first topic will be made in a few days.
Bubbason 20:48 UTC:
ok, on the subject of NH and an earlier comment that suggested the main benefit to the old way of working was faction points (for Crystals or Generic Materials). This statement is incorrect in part.
Actually, players preferred the old way of working because it meant that, for perhaps 30 minutes, they could do occupations to gain dapper + factions points, after which they were free to enjoy their time on Atys doing whatever they pleased
So, actually, the old way of working supported freedom of choice
But, my question is this:

Q: We propose to put back *temporarily* the old NH system whilst we update the various missions, after which we'll go back to how things are currently. What steps will be put in place to make sure we don't repeat the same disaster as we did with the JY2603 patch?
A: We will proceed in several steps:
1 - restore the old version of NH.
2 - revalue and balance the missions, let you test them in game and give us your feedback.
3 - revalue and balance the occupations (perhaps by putting back the advanced occupations), let you test them in game and give us your feedback.
4 - Restore the current version of NH once points 2 and 3 are completed.

Q: So, you propose the run the old NH system in parallel to the re-balanced missions to allow players to test them, before re-removing the NH system again?
A: Yes

Triplex 21:03 UTC:
if there are missions for the occupations, there is no need to do step 4, because no one will use this step if there is a better one than the actual NH, so if there are missions for occupations, the nh needs a new system or he dies
the old one is overpowered maybe..
the new one is Under powered
Fyrosfreddy 21:04 UTC:
If I may, think 4 means a modified version whereby you can't get 50 fame in a few hours effort
Bubbason 21:04 UTC:
Hm, I don't see how that will work because mostly, it seems that players preferred the rewards from NH + the freedom of choice it gives them. The re-balanced missions take too much time.
Tryroamer 21:09 UTC:
i have listened attentively to this discussion: a suggestion i already made in the foren might be here worth repeating:
when all has been balanced and tested and found to be good
additionally the missions results (occupational) could be given new value as ingredients needed to other accomplishments
those improved occupational missions perhaps already do this? if so then the problems here feared do not come into being
Triplex 21:11 UTC:
hmm i think the translater doesnt work correctly, but yea, the nh doesnt have to get out" he will die, because no one will use it with the actual state
the old status forces you to porten when the limit is reached so you can give up.
The new system brings a bad yield. both are not balanced systems.
Tykus 21:16 UTC:
I will try to answer all questions
yes It's why when we recoded the NH we made the change, but it was a emergency case, recoding NH like it was took more time than recode without rewards.
But doing like this created a hole in the rewards for players :)
This Nh system remains sensitive, it often remains blocked and is not very accessible to the CSR to see who gave what...
Triplex 21:20 UTC:
the old system without caps of 3000 and a little less reward, then everyone has the free choice, is not permanently restricted if 3-4 people give at the same time and still gets a usable reward
Tamarea 21:23 UTC:
Triplex: I encourage you to join dev team and help!
Tykus 21:26 UTC:
To freddy: there is many way to up your fame to 50, NH was so easy,it was used to the detriment of all the missions dedicated to fame :p

2 - Marauder gameplay

Tamarea 20:18 UTC:
The new Marauder region under creation will be located near the Nexus and will be connected to it by a vortex.
The working group is in the process of adding vegetation to this new area, which is empty by default.
Important note: this new map is the first one we are creating from scratch, which is very promising for the future!
So we managed to reach the ultimate stage dreamed of when Ryzom Forge was created: "The last stage, called the New Zone project, will consist in the creation of a new game zone."
Lumae 20:23 UTC:
Congratulation for the work done !

Q: When will the tool used for these creation of areas be available? For testing, proposals and so on...
A: For the moment, the creation is done manually. It is planned to write a manual explaining how.

Bastien 20:30 UTC:
OK. I'm ready to help if needed (not so bad at understanding :-)
… and congrats, of course.

3 - Ranger rite

Tamarea 20:33 UTC
It has been fixed and is now operational again.
Tryroamer 20:34 UTC:
i am very happy to hear of the RR having been repaired and being now operational
To whom does one (Trytrytry for example) turn in order to participate in that rite please?
Kiwalie 20:37 UTC:
Thanks all for the Rite :-)

Q: Why do I raise my hand, and still get ignored?
A: (not answered)

Bubbason 20:38 UTC
You may as well finish your discussion now since we moved on.
Tamarea 21:25 UTC:
The clock is ticking and it's time to move on to the last topic. We will come back to this at the next meeting. In addition, an official announcement will be made, so you can also react on the forum.

4 - Recrutement

Tamarea 21:25 UTC:
Translation team recruits volunteers!
To translate / proofread into Spanish
To translate / proofread into Russian
To translate / proofread into German

Support team recruits volunteers!
From North America
From South America (speaking Spanish and English)
From Australia timezone
From Spain

Animation team recruits volunteers!
From North America
From South America (speaking Spanish and English)
From Australia timezone
From Spain
In particular, we need American animators in order to be able to play roleplay events in US time slots.
For any questions or applications, please send an email to tamarea@ryzom.com

Last edited by Moniq (4 months ago)

#128 [en] 

Arf! All I want to know is this now..
Q: Why do I raise my hand, and still get ignored?
A: (not answered)

Whoever you are, some souls here in the darkness shall listen x)

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#129 [fr] 

if there was a reasonable way to get crystals again would start subscribing again

#130 [en] 

Jorgensen
if there was a reasonable way to get crystals again would start subscribing again

Blackmail? How low :P

They rollback NH, so you can farm crystal again!

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#131 [en] 

Slightly offtopic, but you make some awesome solo hunting videos Revvy! Ryzom has so much to offer, a true sandbox with lots of goals for every play style.

arc

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#132 [en] 

Arcueid
Slightly offtopic, but you make some awesome solo hunting videos Revvy! Ryzom has so much to offer, a true sandbox with lots of goals for every play style.

arc

These demos are mostly from last year, sadly Ryzom do not have much to offer me anymore..
So this is act of memories ;)

I'll upload solo boss hunts also, Thank you for the feedback :)

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#133 [en] 

Revvy
Jorgensen
if there was a reasonable way to get crystals again would start subscribing again

Blackmail? How low :P
Consider it karmic payback. It's also wrong to force stuff down the throats of those who come from other places where tastes differ and belittle their feedback, but there's been a few years of that. (For now, we'll ignore that the few who can attend meetings that happen in the middle of our workday are ignored or, in some cases, told to shut up.) Maybe another 6 years of "blackmail" will balance the scales?
Arceuid
Ryzom has so much to offer, a true sandbox with lots of goals for every play style.
I'd like to be able to believe that, but I've seen enough people clamoring to change that and enough mechanics contradict that that I simply cannot. To be sure, we do need some restrictions, but the game itself forces players in ways that totally contradict every definition of "sandbox" if know of, and the 2603 patch made it worse. But if penalizing folks for their RP choices (especially the choice to not swear loyalty to any nation or religion) and having the game center around fame management more than anything else is the desired result then things are on the right path.

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#134 Multilingual 

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Ryzom Forge meeting (August 5th, 2019)


Date: monday, August 5th, 19:30 UTC (21:30 CEST)

Meeting places:
  • Atys, on the public channel Forge (open the WebIG (Ctrl+W) and click on the "RF" button next to the language flags)
or
  • chat.ryzom, channel #pub-forge (https://chat.ryzom.com/channel/pub-forge)

Duration: 1.5 hour

Participants: all Ryzom players wishing to join.

Nature: informative, questions & answers and feedback meeting.Topic: Added, in test and ready to be tested projects.
Agenda
  • In-game auto-translation via DeepL
  • August Promotion and Atys Games
  • Back to the game's roots: Storyline project
  • Improvement and enrichment of Ryzom Wiki
  • Switch to open source for translation files
  • Return of the old version of NH
  • Recruitment

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#135 Multilingual 

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Ryzom Forge meeting report - 5. 8. 2019

Agenda
  • In-game auto-translation via DeepL
  • August Promotion and Atys Games
  • Back to the game's roots: Storyline project
  • Improvement and enrichment of Ryzom Wiki
  • Move to open source for translation files
  • Return of the old version of NH
  • Recruitment

In-game auto-translation via DeepL

Tamarea, 19:50 UTC:
The integration of the DeepL translator in play will be done in 5 steps:
  • Step 1: test in the around channel (in progress)
    DeepL is currently being tested in the "around" channel. It automatically translates into the interface language what is said on the channel. Supported languages: English, German, Spanish, Russian and French.
  • Step 2:"dev" work for DeepL to manage the translation between the game channels and chat.ryzom.com.
  • Step 3: Create the configuration interface and add options in the chat window

    The interface should allow you to:
    • choose if you accept to be translated (see GDPR)
    • choose the channels to translate (example: surroundings, guild...)
    • choose the languages to be translated.
    • choose the language in which you want the translation to be done.
    The options in the chat window will allow you to:
    • enable / disable translations (on/off)
    • identify the translated sentences (different color?)
    • display the original version of the translated sentences
    • (subject to) see the translation of a sentence initially displayed in its original language
  • Step 4: DeepL integration on dynamic and regional channels
    This includes universe channels.
    We will certainly take this opportunity to remove language-specific uni-universe channels, which will no longer be useful.
  • Step 5: DeepL integration on guild, team, league and private message channels.
Please note that we will then be able to activate automatic translation into all languages supported by DeepL (currently Portuguese, Polish, Dutch, Italian) if necessary.
Now it's your turn to talk: what do you think about the addition of DeepL in game and the ongoing test on the around channel?
Tryroamer, 19:59 UTC:
i understand that for normal purposes no language specific channels be in case of DeepL success and ingame integration as proposed, but i would nevertheless welcome having the possiblility of splitting off of the one language origin chat to an own channel tab within the main chat for special purposes, naturally, while still allowing and following the chat originating out of all other languages within the uni chat
Heernis, 20:05 UTC:
Do you mean that there should be a translated channel and an untranslated channel ingame?
Tryroamer, 22:07 UTC:
Not really, but there is yet a need as i see it, for me to at times isolate the chat originating in the one language into its own channel, otherwise the other conversation might / would stretch out the particular thought thread out of recognition (fifo principle)
Heernis, 20:11 UTC:
ok, simply a hint, or as a overlay, as with the items, of the original text, would suffice, wouldn't it?
Hayt, 20:13 UTC:
The problem of double translation. Can the translator determine the language in which the phrase is spoken?
Now the language from which the text is translated and the language into which the text is translated is tied to the interface language
But the player uses one interface language, and can speak several
In this case, I noticed that if the language of what was said differs from the interface language, then the translator first translates the text into the interface language, and then only further
Tamarea, 20:17 UTC:
From my experience on https://www.deepl.com, DeepL usually determines the language of the text on its own. This is not yet the case during the test, because for the moment it is the language of the interface of the writer that is taken into account.
Tamarea, 20:25 UTC:
What do you think (briefly) about the integration of DeepL into the game?
Scooby, 20:26 UTC:
Super
Krinseus, 20:30 UTC:
Very convenient, especially for those who do not speak other languages than their own.
Heernis, 20;33 UTC UTC:
If you use no native slang, write full sentences and don't make mistakes while writing... it could be usefull, otherwise there could be a lot of misunderstandings. Well also lets say... "Rendor" will be translate into "Verkäufer" (Reseller) in german. Or Ranger > "Waldläufer" (Forestrunner) ... ^^ But overall, a good thing for communication, so it is far from perfect.


Q: Would it be possible to have exceptions or pattern for ryzom specific names, cities, regions etc in the future? Maybe on client-side?
A: It's planned

Q: I think it very convenient, more than come-go with Google. And a question: will the translation of /tell texts come soon?
A: It should be as fast as the around channel.

Tamarea, 20:34 UTC:
Thank you for your feedback. Let's move on to the next topic!

August promotion and Atys games

Tamarea, 20:34 UTC:
Announcements on the forumOther publicationsWhat are your feedback on the promotion and games? Who wants to speak?
Scooby, 20:39 UTC:
As for me, I think 5,000 choice tokens is very very much for an earning. The water bombs had very good press :)
Kiwalie, 20:42 UTC:
Great, the water bombs! The ultimate weapon of Rangers!
Hayt, 20:43 UTC:
5000 tokens sounds big quantity, but it's only 141/200 of plushie and 0/250 of zig and it's imposible to waterbomb bosses
Kiwalie, 21:24 UTC:
I just want to say a big thank you to the ryzom team for the August event, memorable evening with players from all nations and factions on the rendors :)

Storyline project

Tamarea, 20:50 UTC:
We return to the basics of Ryzom by placing the advance of history at the centre of the game.
Thus, instead of having on one side events, and on the other side heterogeneous additions, we will have regular gameplay additions that will logically follow the progress of History, over the events. With, of course, a role for the "Power to Players", since the turn of events will depend in part on your actions!
Before embarking on a Season that will bring many new features (we already have a number of them in mind!), we chose to start with a Season allowing us to finally finish the unfinished gameplay content. You'll learn more soon!

Q: Whereas I agree that Storyline should be of top priority, where does this project leave everything that was being worked on? Everything that's already been announced like: OP changes, Nexus Reloaded, Ranged fight fine tuning and so on... Also Pocket Worlds, Boss in a Pocket, and and and? Do we have a status update on those projects? Are they aborted?
A: These additions are still scheduled. They will be largely implemented as Storyline progresses. However, some content, such as OP refactoring and rebalancing shooting weapons, will be used in parallel. The first step of Pocket Words, "Guild Islands" is already in game. We will now improve it. On the other hand, "Boss in a Box" is put back on hold because the one who developed it is no longer available.

Moniq, 21:01 UTC:
We will call for players to help with Outpost battle changes and Ranged weapon changes in some time. We need to finish many other changes and fixing and also well prepare a series of tests.

Q: Is the storyline the same as we were following before?
A: I won't reveal anything more for the moment! ;)

Tryroamer, 21:08 UTC:
I have followed with some interest the discussion in the forums about just what roleplay actually is on Atys. One aspect that I feel has been in the past but seems nowadays completely absent: one's own personal rp history ingame. I hope that such become respected again where and by whomever practiced
Tamarea, 21:17 UTC:
DeepL could contribute to this by facilitating roleplay between players from different languages.

Improvement and enrichment of Ryzom Wiki

Tamarea, 21:17 UTC:
I give the floor to the contributors!
Nilstilar, 21:24 UTC:
What I can say about the wiki, is that I published 231 articles about the plants of Atys since a month from a document provided by Namcha. But Dorothée, Heernis and Zorroargh are working hard, too.
Heernis, 21;48 UTC:
hm... the wiki is accessible through mobile phones, but a mobile css layout is not available for it (for better view)

Q: A reminder of the url?
A: Main page, Atys commons, Flora

Q: I'd like to know if an android version of the client is under development, sice I read something about it posted a yaer ago in the forum. So, is there any dev team working on it, or is it abandoned since?
A: We do not have enough developers nor testers for current supported platforms. It is maybe a project (or former project) of Ryzom Core. That user never shared code, so no android client.

Move to open source for translation files

Tamarea, 22:45
The largest translation files of the ingame text, which were still private, have just switched to open source. So much so that all translations are now in open source! You can find them here: https://bitbucket.org/ryzom/ryzomdatas/src/default/translations/

Return of the old version of NH

Tamarea, 21:54
It is imminent... provided we find a tester on Windows!
Which introduces the last topic: recruitment!

Recruitment

Tamarea, 21:58 UTC:
We are looking for volunteer testers (Windows, Linux, Mac). Indeed, the current lack of testers means that features and patches remain in test for a long time, which delays their application. In particular, we are looking for players who are familiar with OP battles in order to test "OP refactoring". For more information, please contact Moniq or Tamarea. To apply, please contact Tamarea (on chat.ryzom.com or by email to tamarea@ryzom.com).
Currently, future additions and maintenance are blocked for far too long in the test phase due to a lack of testers. Which is a pity! (This is currently the case for NH.) We need testers on all 3 platforms: Windows, Linux and Mac.
We are looking for two types of testers:
  • "Generalist" testers for general tests.
  • "Specialist" testers for precise tests. For example, tests on OPs, or on shooting weapons, or on PvP....

Q: What knowledge is required to be a tester?
A: You should have some knowledge of the game, be patient and expect long and boring work :). Any advanced knowledge in IT is welcome but not necessary. There are not any real requirements, if you have will, you can learn what is needed and how to test. Oh and you should be dutiful and careful.

Q: Which level is required for testing? I start playing three days ago...
A: You can join today, however the testing will spoil your game experience so maybe wait some time and enjoy playing first. It is not about your character levels, the testing is being done on separate testing servers and we have some tools for help. But again, I think it is too soon. Enjoy the game and get familiar with it. You can join any time. We have a great need for testers, but we can wait for you and let you have the pleasure of discovering the game!

Tamarea, 22;03 UTC:
You can contact me on Ryzom's chat or by email at tamarea@ryzom.com when you feel ready. :)

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