#46 Added by Keldun 5 years ago [en]

Keldun (atys)

That stance might have been true in the original setup, when there was no "negative" side.

But now If you have positive fame, you are no longer neutral, you support the factions and take side against marauders.

The devs made it so that the sides are exact opposites, you can't align with both, so to be neutral, you have to align with neither.

Rolloks, by my deifinition of neutral, aligned players shouldn't be fighting with neutrals, as they are not enemies so there shouldn't be points.

Any positiv aligned player fighting a hominist is even worse, as they are more or less allies.

As for OP, I'm not sure. I know there are karavan type and kami type drills (are there marauder drills?). but is it really factional PvP or more in leagues?

edit: that should have been an edit, not a quote.

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#47 Added by Bitttymacod 5 years ago [en]

Keldun, you missed the important sentence of my comment, I think:

Bitttymacod (atys)

The Fame scores show how well the Faction or Nation likes *you*, not how much you like *them.*

IMHO, neutral is the antithesis of "aligned", not of "unfriendly". In fact the Marauders have asked if they can fight the Kitins and the Goo alongside the Rangers and they have been told that the answer is "Yes." Of course there aren't any player Rangers yet (just those who aspire to that position).

At any rate, that's a side issue to the real question of recalculating (or not) PvP points. We are in agreement, I think, that attacking neutrals (of either definition) should not give points. :)

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#48 Added by Rollocks 5 years ago [en]

Bitttymacod (atys)

We are in agreement, I think, that attacking neutrals (of either definition) should not give points. :)

I'm not in agreement. I think the neutrals should not get points for killing aligned players. But aligned players for should get points for killing anyone who does not have a similar alignment. So Kara aligned would get get points for kill neutral and Kami aligned players. And Fyros would get points for killing neutral and Matis aligned points etc. Double points for a Fyros/Kami killing a Matis/Kara.

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#49 Added by Mjollren 5 years ago [en]

Bittty, it pretty much follows that a faction likes you only after you do something useful for them. In the end it doesn't matter if you do what you because you're an asskisser, a mercenary or really love the faction (in a RP sense). If you have good fame with a faction, that means you've indirectly supported them at some point. And there must be consequences for that.

Roll, your proposition makes sense by inciting people to take sides, but at the same time punishes a valid position (neutral because the person is not an asskisser). At least the status qvo is that neutrality rewards no one, and in effect most people do choose a side by the time they start fighting homins. Not much point changing that, except to allow griefing a few newcomers while in pvp areas.

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#50 Added by Daomei 5 years ago [en]

I think one should get back to reason. RP is not an issue. There is few RP during PvP, and often only mimicked. Or perverted so called RP only being bullying and harrassing, inside and outside PvP. There are RPers who use PvP as part of their RP, mostly in the french part of the community. Those encourage being tagged for RP reasons, hating PvPers abusing that (in their opinion) for ganking.

Many PvP lovers are not interested much in RP if at all. That is their right. They like to compare their powers and skilles with peers of similar level and competence, and is not interested in whether they are kamist, karavan, marauder, or neutral. They want to know who is better in combat.

I confess that such is not my path. But I absolutely support that it is legitimate.

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#51 Added by Rollocks 5 years ago [en]

Daomei (atys)

IThere is few RP during PvP, and often only mimicked. Or perverted so called RP only being bullying and harrassing, inside and outside PvP. .

Daomei, if you repeat this enough times it may become true. LOL What do you base your absurd position on? I would wager that you have not even witnessed a 1/10 of a percent of the pvp that occurs on Ryzom, so quit making these absurd claims.

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#52 Added by Placio 5 years ago [en]

Unfortunately i have to agree with Rollocks, this topic wasn't created so nonpvp players can be arrogant and condescending toward pvpers.

I doubt Devs will make changes to the system anytime soon so I hope players can learn how to adjust their fame lvls to maximize their possible points.

And if allies want to compare their skills thats called dueling and should not earn them pvp points...

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#54 Added by Gidget 2 weeks ago [en]

Indeed, the system does not take Marauders or Rangers into account. And it's a bit disheartening in a way. Consider, both of us feel that a homin's freedom should not depend on higher power, whether mortal (government) or supernatural (religion). That makes us more closely aligned than the current PvP point system would have you think where Rangers and Marauders are more opposed than the most ardent Matis follower of Jena and the most devout/patriotic Fyros Kamist. And that doesn't even take into account alliances that make those of "opposing factions" closer allies than those who have taken the same rites you have.

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