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Ah. That was not how I originally read "There's no wonder and awe left as you're doing your first cross-continent travel. You've already seen the whole rainbow on the starter island.", so I was actually a little confused which way you were going there. It seemed like you were going both ways.

As far as "That story being lost", I'm not really sure that it's a bad thing to learn history by reading about it rather than reenacting it.

My belief is that the story can be told more powerfully by experiencing it. Especially for new players. ESPECIALLY if we want to capture new players into the game. (And even more if we allow them the freedom to mold the story progression themselves, and join each other's guilds freely. ;) ~ Staying on topic ~)

Even if further down in the story everyone gets together and lives happily ever after in their New Ranger Utopia, the starter islands could still be run by a bunch of old intolerant farts (plot devices), to stir some drama. The "everlasting backstory" can be experienced simultaneously with "dynamic current events". Anachronisms really are possible, since everyone can have their own beliefs. :)

A Ranger Utopia that's taken for granted (Silan) is a boring storytelling situation. (It's a Ryzom theme park.) But a Ranger Utopia after a heavy conflict, that was worked for, (as a high level / endgame zone) is a very powerful symbol.

I feel that that turns the story into a stagnant "Groundhogs Day" scenario as it must remain stuck in the past for new players. Or, if we start out with the "intolerant farts" tutorial, it's "bait and switch" misrepresentation.

Silan isn't meant to be exciting; it's meant to be educational with just enough excitement to keep people interested in hitting Mainland. It's not meant to tell the story, only to introduce you to the story.

But I think the real rift is between those who feel intolerance is a virtue that must be preserved by continuing to enforce segregation and those who feel that the future can and should be something other than a faithful reproduction of the past even if that means (gasp!) change.

Silan is also a bait and switch. :)

I don't think I understand ... in the 6 months I have been gone, have Rangers / neutrals been denied healing spells or respawn points ?

As has been said before ... people have had different experiences on each server. In US, where every Ryzom player had 20 friends playing WoW for each Ryzom player they knew, we were coming from a different starting PoV. In US folks had WoW and 20 other MMOs to choose from. The folks that *chose* Ryzom did so because it was NOT WoW or one of the other PvP is everything MMOs. As such, when PvP happened we lost most of our player base. We recovered that when the player base decided to ignore game mechanics / lore and adopting a player mindset of "letting folks play the game they wanted" and **respecting** their choice**. There was planty of PvP to had and afterwards, folks from oppsing sides were in mixed teams grinding or chasing bosses

Everybody, witha few notable exceptions, got a long ... winning a battle because your side controlled access to boss mats, sups, OP produce was considered an empty victory so everything was openly traded. I never got into the PvP but guild members chose their own way, It was not unusual for the side with overwhelming numbers to say "Any gulds want to make this more fun and fight foi the other side ?" When playing pick up basketball, stickball whatever growing up in Brookly, the next game didn't start until the losing team picked a player from the other side and sent one of their own back. Winning all the time is boring; and if losing all the time, people stay home or do something else..

So this type of behavior that North outlined, we just didn't see because if you came "late to the show", you were likely invited and if ya needed the mats, you could trade or ask for them since it was routine. For the 200 and below, most guilds can't even give away the stuff among their own factions so what's the point in hoarding 500 QL200 mats when someone could benefit from them.

For the 250 OPs I can understand somehwat but are we really in a situation where there's not enough to go around. Looking at our sub numbers that wouldn't appear to be the case. When I see this "boss stealing"activity" occur, the only question that comes to mind is "Why is having a "equipment advantage" so important; wouldn't folks feel better about a victory over an opponent that didn't have an inheterent disadvantage ? So yes, the game mechanics do have a deficiency with respect to what North outlined. But I have to say I am disappoinjted that the player base can't find a way to deal with it honorably among themselves until such time as a fix is im place.

I'm not disagreeing with you.

Making a point that there are valid lore and RP related reasons for there to allow a mismatch between civilizations and factions within a guild (blending in, secret goals, etcetera.)

From a lore POV, the higher powers are both absolutely against anyone colluding with Tryton. If they give respawns and teleports, then either they'll have to be pandering to one of the higher powers and hiding their allegiances, or the higher powers may just be interested in getting resources and charging them more. In the first case, their mismatching fame will not reflect their true goals, but reflects their mask.

There is only the high powers who can resurrect homins. Nobody is denied to respawn ... it's just the high who is resurrecting you (even if you are rangers/neutral or marauder) and you don't have the choice about this fact (but I don't think it's an information that homins knows).

After the Ranger rite I was told that Oflovak's road (where the rite is situated) is the only place where Rangers provide ressurection (there are special rescue ranger teams for that). High Powers have no altairs nor camps in that wild area. All other ressurection services are providided by High Powers only (generally, in all New Lands and in those parts of Old Lands that were (originally) open for homins by High Powers.

However, after respawn points were added to (some) Ranger pathway nodes, I heard the ressurection there is done by ?mysterous ?vortex somewhere ?on pathway ... ???

Vortex resurrection is provided by high powers as well.

How can Homins resurrect by themselves ?

It is a bit easy in my opinion, Ranger should not have the technology to resurrect Homins, not even the energy for it.

To mention here, a resurrection implies a death, so no coma.
No healing, it is a destruction of the cells and reconstruction with post-traumatic result in some case.

To my knowledge (I don't know much about Ranger lore characters) only Marung/Nung Horongi have been able to resurrect without the help of the high powers.

I lack any information to most latest changes. So, does anyone know who provides ressurection on pathways? And who all could be able to? Sivanders is first I see speaking about, after long time. The only I know is from fragments of conversation or rumors. Rangers used to be source of news but there was no meeting for a long time.


We can discuss if Kami have technology to ressurect, however I know nothing about lifeseed care. I just tell how it was explained to me and I am unable to validate any of those information. The fact is that there are no High Powers nor Vortex on the Oflovak's road...

However this is off topic here, better to create other thread. (so please do not reply)

But ike all things Ryzom (almost), ... allaraces, factions, jools, etc. the underlying precept is "no classes, no nerfs" ... Each choice you make has no "overall" downsisde. A Fyris toon has a natural resistence to one type of spell, each race is resistant to another in an equal amount. No enalties for making a choice. The Lore is fashioned differently to fit that precept.

The mara didn't have transport system ... so one was made ***and here's the important part*** lore created to make it "equal opportunity". Perhaps not perfect but that is the underlying goal. The differences make it interesting, but in the end , that underlying precept is no advanatges / no penalties when all is considered.


So if the lore isn't complying with that ... it's the lore that needs to be evolve to do so rather than the other way around ... unless of course other chnages are instituted to offset any advantage / disadvantage.

We had a late night Uni talk similar to this... Who provides the ressurection at respawn points not connected to any cult? like portals, etc.. My proposal was that there are natural Atys respawns but the system has been copied/hijacked by higher powers to artificially create more spawn/teleport locations.

I think the ressurrection is powered by the entity that processes our credit card payments and PayPal. If my toon dies ... for good ... I would not wanny to regrind all my dig skills :)