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#1 Mehrsprachig 

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Hallo Homins,
dieses ist der OOC Teil von der offiziellen Bekanntmachung des Buchs der Gilden (führe /appzone 1960 aus) und beinhaltet die technischen Aspekte (nicht Rollenspiel!) des Projekts.

Meine ursprüngliche Idee war es eine App für Ryzom zu schreiben und etwas mit den Möglichkeiten und Beschränkungen des App Zone Systems vertraut zu werden. Das Fehlen einer echten Liste aller Gilde bot eine gute Möglichkeit und so habe ich mit der RyGReg App angefangen. Die erste Version ist in der App Zone zu finden oder durch Ausführen von /appzone 1947.

RyGReg, Ryzom Guild Registry, holt sich die rohe Liste der Gilden aus dem Ryzom API und erweitert sie um editierbare Informationen. Im Endeffekt sollen für alle Homins es ein mehrsprachiges, einfach zu bedienendes Werkzeug sein, um Informationen über Gilden anzusehen, zu suchen und zu ändern. Jede Anführerin und jeder Anführer einer Gilde kann, ohne dass ich aktiv werden muss, den Eintrag ihrer/seiner eigenen Gilde ändern, oder hohe Offiziere damit beauftragen. Dieses beiden Merkmale halten die Liste der Gilden aktuell. Es wurden bereits 27 neue Gilden gegründet in der Zeit seit der ich daran gearbeitet habe.

Aktuell funktioniert die Authentifizierung noch nicht, so dass der Anführer manuell eingetragen werden muss. Danach kann sie/er aber ihrer/seinen eigenen Eintrag der Gilde ohne irgendeine Passworteingabe ändern. Falls ihr noch nicht gelistet seid, aber bereits ein bisschen in der Frühphase der Entwicklung ausprobieren möchtet, dann können wir uns treffen. Wenn ihr mir dort dann den Titel Gilden-Anführer zeigt, werde ich euch hinzufügen.

Alle Änderungen, die in RyGReg vorgenommen werden, erscheinen auch im Buch der Gilden, da sie auf die gleiche Datenbank im Hintergrund zugreifen. Während ich an RyGReg gearbeitet habe und auch dank dem positiven Feedback, ist in mir der Gedanke gereift mein Interesse an Gilden mit Rollenspiel zu verknüpfen: Falls jemand interessiert ist würde ich eine offene Serie von kleinen Events rund um das Buch der Gilden und die damit verbundene Forschung abhalten.

Das Buch der Gilden soll dabei den Rollenspiel-Ansicht der Datenbank der Gilden sein und alle Änderungen in letzterer auch widerspiegeln. Es ist also primär eine Ergänzung fürs Rollenspiel, beinhaltet aber auch die meisten Merkmale und Funktionen von RyGReg. Ich möchte es dabei auch so belassen, allerdings bin ich auf der Suche nach Übersetzern. Das System bietet die Möglichkeit, die Apps in beliebig viele Sprachen anzubieten, von daher ist es möglich es in deine eigene Sprache oder einer der Nationen zu übersetzen. Jede Hilfe und auch Feedback ist jederzeit willkommen!

Wie es mit RyGReg an sich weiter geht, hängt von euch ab. Es ist noch unfertig und sollte bisher eigentlich mehr dazu dienen zu zeigen, was möglich ist. Von daher würde ich gerne alle der 3 Aspekte der Anwendung mit euch diskutieren:

1) Gespeicherte Daten einer Gilde:
Aktuell gibt es eine Menge von editierbaren Feldern. Ich würde gerne wissen, was euch noch fehlt oder nützlich wäre um die Gilde zu präsentieren. URL? Aktivität? Zeitzone?

2) Ausgabe der Daten:
Weil eine Datenbank zu Grunde liegt, kann man alles mit allem kombinieren. Welche Daten interessieren euch? Welche Daten sollten unbedingt angezegit werden, nach welchen soll gesucht werden können? Welche Zusammenfassungen von Daten würdest zu verwenden?

3) Oberfläche:
Da ich kein Designer bin und auch die Möglichkeiten der Anzeige im Spiel (leider) sehr beschränkt sind, hat RyGReg nur eine minimale Oberfläche, gerade genug damit es bedienbar ist. Von daher bin ich interessiert an Vorschlägen sehr interessiert: Wie soll die UI aussehen?

Gerne könnt ihr mich anflüstern oder besser noch eine Izam Post zukommen lassen. Am liebsten wäre mir aber ein Treffen. Ich könnte jederzeit ein Event mit einem Rollenspiel-Teil und einem nachfolgenden OOC-Teil für die technischen Dinge auf die Beine stellen und abhalten. Falls Interesse besteht, würde ich versuchen etwas zu organisieren.

Vielen Dank für eure Aufmerksamkeit.

Moniq
Phaedrea's Tears

5 mal geändert | Zuletzt geändert von Moniq (vor 7 Jahren) | Grund: link to current stable

#2 [en] 

A similar list exists, maybe some data can be copied manually?

https://ryzom.byweb.no/g

Good luck with your app :)

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#3 [en] 

Mjollren
A similar list exists, maybe some data can be copied manually?

https://ryzom.byweb.no/g

Good luck with your app :)

Thank you :) I know that list, unfortunately it's far to be complete, just roll a bit down... And I also seen other lists too, but feel free to post any links, will be useful in future research of guild histories.

#4 [en] 

Thank you for this amazing idea and nicely done app!

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#5 [en] 

Arcueid
Thank you for this amazing idea and nicely done app!

Thank you.

#6 Mehrsprachig 

superbe travail Moniq :)

#7 [en] 

Thank you Kiwa :)

Anyway, german version of the book is now available, thanks to hard work of Glibber and help of Sorum.

#8 [en] 

Great, Moniq! :)
BTW, you can find a lot of guild in the encyclopatys ( http://fr.wiki.ryzom.com/wiki/ for instance for FR)
There, generally, guild pages have name such "Guild of...", "Guilde ..." or "Guilde:...", for instance "Guilde:Cercle du Bois d'Almati", "Guilde:Hoodo". Those pages have full explanations. I do not know if it is useful for you. Maybe also you would add URL.

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Zo'ro Argh
Chargé de recherche dans la guilde du Cercle du Bois d’Almati.
Ambassadeur des Rangers auprès des Matis.
Président de la N’ASA et fondateur de Hoodo.

#9 [en] 

Ahhh ... I didn't pick up this thread as RyGReg wasn't in the title or would have commented sooner and added suggestions for future additions here.  Love the app so in the interests of making it even better before version 1.0 arrives, .... will list the ones we spoke of for open discussion so folks following the thread can comment and add as I get more experience using it.  So here's my "Wish List".  Most of these fall into "two categories"

a.  User added info
b.  Data there, GUI tweaks


1.  Add a field for a link to the guild's IG forum thread in  "Guild Registry"

2.  Add space for a link to the guild's out of game web site if they have one.

3.  When you open the app, on "home page" put a quick link to folks own guild so they don't have to search for themselves.

4.  Right below allow users to add a quick link to  "Sister Guilds" (folks they are especially friendly with) so they can keep up with their friends activities.

5.  Search function for peeps in the RyGreg database.  So if I searched for Moniq, i would know that, for example, you left PT and joined a Marauder guild :) .... yeay, you added that since we spoke :)

6.  A spot to list origin of guild pre-merge .. i.e. "Arispotle Server , September 14, 2004"

7.  A "News" section where they can post  news Like "Bittymacod marries 4th wife"

8.  A way for guilds to "hide" members (status active or inactive)  w/o deleting them from the database.  Maybe add a "Inactive Members" page in case folks wanna see the status of a IG friend from years ago and how long since been around.

9.  A say for users to "hide / unhide" the activity list and / or control what is "on screen".

10.  An option to "Hide" the MOTD from display.  For example if you had "Phaedras Tears planning to declare on Fluffy Bunnies OP on June 14", you prolly don't want that being publically vieweable :)

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#10 [en] 

Fyrosfreddy
1. Add a field for a link to the guild's IG forum thread in "Guild Registry"

2. Add space for a link to the guild's out of game web site if they have one.

Guild forum thread, guild web, related lore link... whatever. Yes, that will be added.


Fyrosfreddy
3. When you open the app, on "home page" put a quick link to folks own guild so they don't have to search for themselves.

Start page contains searching so you can quickly use the tool. Your details will stay in your profile page (1 click), you can open your guild profile from there (2 clicks) and see your guild members in guild profile (3 clicks). Maybe, in some distant future I will allow users to select which section will be the starting one.


Fyrosfreddy
4. Right below allow users to add a quick link to "Sister Guilds" (folks they are especially friendly with) so they can keep up with their friends activities.

It's a tool for searching and browsing guilds, not social network :P I will allow users to create list of favorite guilds (that list will be available in your profile) and specify a list of friendly guilds to your guild (that list will be available in the guild profile). I think you misunderstand activities. It's just a log of actions related to the user (user was online, user updated guild profile, user added guild member...). Nothing else, mostly actions that did update your guild last activity date and time and the list of actions itself is not too important.


Fyrosfreddy
6. A spot to list origin of guild pre-merge .. i.e. "Arispotle Server , September 14, 2004"

Some options to specify guild origin (non-RP info) and date when the guild was originally established will be added.


Fyrosfreddy
7. A "News" section where they can post MOTD or other news Like "Bittymacod marries 4th wife"

I will think about this. But honestly, this type of information is not important. Again, it's a tool primary to help others to find data about guilds. It is not important if Fyrosfreddy has new mek and what's it's name :P


Fyrosfreddy
8. A way for guilds to "hide" members (status active or inactive) w/o deleting them from the database. Maybe add a "Inactive Members" page in case folks wanna see the status of a IG friend from years ago and how long since been around.

Why? You import members to hide them afterwards? Just remove those you won't show. I will add more options like keep list of members up to date using API key or select those to include in one-time import. Plus some additional options like homin full name, guild title (master trainer, artist... whatever you specify) and so... suggest.

Fyrosfreddy
9. A say for users to "hide / unhide" the activity list and / or control what is "on screen".

I don't understand, can you be more specific?

Fyrosfreddy
10. An option to "Hide" the MOTD from display. For example if you had "Phaedras Tears planning to declare on Fluffy Bunnies OP on June 14", you prolly don't want that being publically vieweable :)

MOTD is not displayed and I don't plan to. You see it because you are allowed to edit your guild details and this "tool" is there in case you need to copy and use it somewhere else.


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All changes in backend are not easy because of the Book of guilds. I must do things carefuly with back compatibility to not break (much) the book. Even when a lot of things are not done the best way, because a lot of aspects occured during the time. The first release of the book is final and will not be extended and I do not plan any changes. It will be replaced with second release in the future which will contain all new features.

#11 [en] 

I don't think I what I trying to convey is getting across, let me try and explain better.  The app is a very useful tool, though one has to be a bit careful on how one interprets some of the information presented.  But having TMI (too much information) on a  screen can often make it harder to find the information you want.

Those 10 items are things that,  to my eyes, will improve the user experience and / or, make the even more useful.  Now keep in mind I have no means by which to judge whether the added functionality is worth the T&E (time and effort) to provide them.  So while I think that these would be useful and welcome additions to the app, they might just require too much T & E to make it worthwhile.  So if something requires too much if  atime investment, feel free to say "Stuff it Freddy, I have a life ya know" :)
Moniq
1 and 2 - Guild forum thread, guild web, related lore link... whatever. Yes, that will be added.

Super !
Moniq
3.  Start page contains searching so you can quickly use the tool.

As does any web browser, but don't you think the "home page function" in a web browser is a useful function ?  Same thing.  One single action would be welcome for something that will be done repeatedly ...  right now its 6 actions for me,  ... click - 3 keystrokes (Flu)- click-click to select which of the 2 guilds come up.  Now if it takes 3 hours of programming to make that happen, then I'll feel guilty whining about 6 actions
Moniq
4.a  It's a tool for searching and browsing guilds, not social network :P I will allow users to create list of favorite guilds (that list will be available in your profile) and specify a list of friendly guilds to your guild (that list will be available in the guild profile).

There was nothing suggested about any type of social networking type activities so I think that metaphor is inappropriate.   But as it has been defined as a  "Guild Browser", the appropriate metaphor would be a web browser.  And a web browser allows one to make bookmarks so as to provide a means to quickly access oft visited pages.
Moniq
4.b  I think you misunderstand activities. It's just a log of actions related to the user (user was online, user updated guild profile, user added guild member...). Nothing else, mostly actions that did update your guild last activity date and time and the list of actions itself is not too important.

I understand what a logging file does, I guess I didn't explain my point clearly.   My PC has lots of log files, but they are not taking up space on my screen all the time 24/7 when we are using programs and utilities.  Under **default** settings they are there but hidden, you only see them when you click a button asking to see them. When I use Adobe Acrobat, AutoCAD or  a Word Processor I can click on a button which will tell me a full history of all my document edits and when they were made.  I have used that button maybe 3 times in over 25 years.  If they were sitting there 24 / 7, it would just be taking up valuable screen real estate.  If it's not serving a useful purpose, it's in the way.

We have Event Viewer in Windows and it's a fantastic tool.  It logs all system events that occur on my PC.   But, when I land at the Windows Home Screen, I don't have it sitting there with hundreds of lines filling the screen.   I love that I can see them if I want to but when I don't, they are just in the way.  So what I am suggesting  if it can be accomplished without much effort is basic data visible by default, log file data by clicking a "show me more" button.

Moniq
6.  Some options to specify guild origin (non-RP info) and date when the guild was originally established will be added.


Super Cool
Moniq
7.  I will think about this. But honestly, this type of information is not important. Again, it's a tool primary to help others to find data about guilds. It is not important if Fyrosfreddy has new mek and what's it's name :P

Well perhaps it was a mistake to use a humorous example as I did.  We can all think of silly things to put in a news section ...  such as what body part the Kardashians have decided to put on display each day, but that doesn't make all "news" unimportant.

As you said, the goal of the app is for it to be a tool for new players to obtain info and be informed such that they can make choices about which guild to approach.  I don't see that any of the following "news items" would be "unimportant" to players so I do not understand why this doesn't fall into the "to help others to find data about guilds" category

[i]"The [insert guild name here] guild has seen declining membership and will, at least temporarily be closing it's doors as of June 30 and merging with [insert guild name here]".  The guild will remain as an alt / storage guild and, if we a resurgence of old members returning to game, we will reactivate it.  Watch this space for news on that topic".[/insert]

[i]"The [insert guild name here] will be sponsoring periodic craft fairs, primarily for new players seeking to gear up.  The first will be held June 15 at Cerakos Gate and will rotate around Atys as needed.  Watch this space for future dates and locations".[/insert]

[i]The [insert guild name here] has been an active [insert faction name here] guild for over 4 years.  However we are seeking a change of pace and are undergoing preparations go join the  [insert faction name here] as of July 15".[/insert]

[i]"The [insert guild name here] has lately experienced a significant influx of new players and in order to be in a position to adequately address the needs of those new members, will not be accepting any new members until after July 30, 2017.  Watch this space for updates."[/insert]

Moniq
8.  Why? You import members to hide them afterwards? Just remove those you won't show. I will add more options like keep list of members up to date using API key or select those to include in one-time import.

Again, the goal of the tool is to provide accurate and usable information to new players.  A guild that has been around for a long time will have many inactive players.  These member are generally not deleted for various reasons say because every few months or years, they return for a stint and then take another "vacation from game".  Or they may have say joined a year ago, but had budget issues, moved and they may or may not be coming back.  If not seen for a certain time, many guilds cull the list after a certain time frame.

So if a new player is looking for a person to contact in that guild, a list that includes 50 players that haven't been around in 18 months serves no purpose, it's just "in the way".  The clutter does make it harder to weed out the 15 active players from the list that is often well over 100 players.

On that note, it sounds like it may be impossible, but is there any way to make the player status not dependent on whether the players are / are not using the RyGReg app ?

Let's say I am looking for a Guild and I find one called "Bunch of Drunks" and I decide they are "right up my alley" based upon what I read.  So I go to the app members page and for each of the 76 members listed it says "Last Seen = Never".    Now that would put an end to any thoughts I had about joining that guild.  Even though that guild may have had 12 players logged in at the moment, because they haven't installed the app, from what that new player is seeing, that guild is a "dead guild".  (perhaps an explanation warranted here)

If the guilds had the ability to edit the list characteristics and define who is active and who is not, now that player knows that he is considering a guild that currently has 18 active players.  They can send an IG mail or PM to people on that "active list" inquiring about membership with a  reasonable expectation of getting a response.  More importantly, he hasn't crossed the "Drunks" off the list of guilds he might be considering.  Yes, if course we could just import the list from the API and edit out those folks, but when they resurface, I'd rather be able to make them active with click than clciking "add", typing names in and selcting rank.

See item 9 for suggest way to address this ... again if feasible.if it's feasible

Moniq
9.  I don't understand, can you be more specific?


Guild Home Page

Right now .... if scroll down to bottom of page I see  "Last Activity" with a long list of data I can scroll thru

What I am suggesting ...

... if I scroll down to bottom of page I'd like to see  "Last Activity (Hide)"  and once I click "hide"
... that long list wont be there any more and I will just see "Last Activity (Unhide)".  Whether I have that info taking up screen real estate depends on my choice at any give time.

Members Page:

Add:

No. of Members:
No. of Active Members
No. of Inactive Members:
Active Members List last edited: [date]
"Show / Hide Inactive Members" button

Again here it's all about easing screen clutter.  Most times the list of inactive members is of no use so it's just in the way.  But say I am a returning player an I wanna know say if an a old friend was in a certain guild is he still playing.  If not in active list, I can open inactive member list... if not there, then it's likely they moved on to a new family.
Moniq
10.  MOTD is not displayed and I don't plan to. You see it because you are allowed to edit your guild details and this "tool" is there in case you need to copy and use it somewhere else.

Yeah, I think that would make lotta folks unhappy.

Can this be used to edit / change the MOTD ?  Right now I just edit a text file because typing it fresh, with my typing skills, usually means doing it 3 times :)



Question:  I would like to list our Alt Storage Guilds ... now when on the edit page I see "Alt guild to" ... which implies that this should be the Alt guild page and I should be putting "Fluffy Bunnies" in that space.

Do I have to create the pages for the alt guilds 1st, put FB in those pages to have them appear on the FB page ?   EDIT:  Well I tried it and it worked.

4 mal geändert | Zuletzt geändert von Fyrosfreddy (vor 7 Jahren)

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#12 Mehrsprachig 

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Hallo Homins,

die neue Version von RyGReg, Ryzom Guild Registry, ist veröffentlicht. Es ist bereits einige Zeit her seit der letzten Bekanntmachung, von daher nun ein paar Informationen zu den Änderungen.

Was ist neu

Die Struktur der Gilden-Datenbank ist etwas robuster geworden. Gildenanführer/innen (oder andere Mitglieder mit entsprechend gesetzten Rechten) können alle grundlegenden Informationen über Ihre Gilde ändern, können Mitglieder entweder händisch oder über die Gilden API anlegen und editieren, können etwas zum Hintergrund der Gilde (Über/Statement/Geschichte) in allen Gilden-Sprachen schreiben, können Verbindungen zu anderen Organisationen auf Atys setzen und können Verlinkungen au weitere externe Quellen setzen.

Nutzer können Gilden nach verschiedenen Kriterien suchen, oder nun auch die gesamte Datenbank der Gilden durchstöbern. Die Liste der Gilden ist sortierbar über die Spalten, deren Anzeige auch konfiguriert werden kann. Anstatt der letzten Änderungen wird die Aktivität der Gilde angezeigt. Nutzer können auch Gilden-Mitglieder nach Namen suchen.

Die Aktivität der Gilden scheint stabil zu laufen und es gibt auch eine Tabelle der Letzten Gilden Aktivitäten, welche die aktiven Gilden der letzten 30 Tage anzeigt.

Es ist nun ach möglich die grundlegenden Informationen der Gilde also Code zu exportieren, der direkt für einen Forenbeitrag in der Guild Registry verwendet werden kann.

Über die Änderungen zum Datenschutz

Es gibt einige neue Beschreibungen im Abschnitt Über dieser Anwendung. Du solltest dir einen Moment Zeit nehmen und sie genau durchlesen. Jede Rückmeldung dazu ist willkommen.

Verwendung und Installation

Du kannst diese Anwendung IG aufrufen über den Befehl /appzone 1947 von jedem beliebigen Chat-Fenster oder über installiere RyGReg-App über die App Zone. Alle Verbesserungsvorschläge sind willkommen.



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#13 Mehrsprachig 

Mehrsprachig | English | [Deutsch] | Français
Hallo Homins,

ich habe eine neue Version von RyGReg, Ryzom Guild Registry, veröffentlicht.

Gilden Profil

Das Aussehen der Seite des Profils der Gilde wurde verändert. Die Grafik für die Zeitzonen wurde verbessert und eine Grafik für die Sprachen der Gilde wurde hinzugefügt. Die Liste der Aktivitäten ist auf eine eigene Seite verschoben worden, wo die gesamte Historie eingesehen werden kann, untermalt mit einer Grafik dazu. Der Export des Profils in Code für das Forum wurde verbessert und kann über mehrere Einstellungen angepasst werden. Gilden, die einen gültigen API Key hinterlegt haben, können die Liste der Mitglieder automatisch aktualisieren lassen

Aktualisierungen

Die Aktualisierung der Liste der Gilden wurde verbessert. Es werden wiederholte Aktualisierungen vermieden, wenn die API veraltete Informationen liefert und/oder wenn die Aktualisierung bereits läuft. Der aktuelle Status des Servers kann und weitere genauere Informationen können unter 'Letzte Änderungen' eingesehen werden.

Dynamisches App Icon

Die Anwendung nutzt ein neues Feature der Rzyom App Zone, das es erlaub ein dynamisches Icon in der Anwendungs-Leiste oder auf der Homepage anzuzeigen. Falls du ein Mitglied einer Gilde bist, dann solltest du dir bewusst sein, dass durch Installieren und Verwendung dieser App deine Anwesenheit in der Gilden-Aktivität Datenbank geloggt wird.

Änderungen in allen Anwendungen

Neben einem besseren Layout des Hauptmenüs, wurden etliche Dinge angepasst, damit die Apps im IG Browser besser angezeigt werden. Du kannst auch die Startseiten der Anwendungen in den Anwendungs-Einstellungen ändern. Diese sind erreichbar über den 'Über'-Abschnitt, zu dem man nun durch einen Klick auf den Applikationsnamen im Hauptmenü gelangt, oder über deine Form und Filter Einstellungen.

Verwendung und Installation

Du kannst diese Anwendung IG aufrufen über den Befehl /appzone 1947 von jedem beliebigen Chat-Fenster oder über installiere RyGReg-App über die App Zone. Alle Verbesserungsvorschläge sind willkommen.





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#14 [en] 

Will go take a peek.

But if I understand correctly ... guild activity is only recorded if someone has at least 1 of your applications installed. Which part of the API key must be included for this to happen ?

How often is periodically ? ... looks like about 2 hours. Two constraints here I would guess.... if you don't do frequently, some one who is on 1 hour a day will likely be missed ... if someone doesn't log out... you will have 12 entries a day, that leads to a lot of nuisance entries.

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#15 [en] 

Fyrosfreddy
But if I understand correctly ... guild activity is only recorded if someone has at least 1 of your applications installed. Which part of the API key must be included for this to happen ?

None, just authenticated. I am not using last login/logout data from API.

Fyrosfreddy
How often is periodically ? ... looks like about 2 hours. Two constraints here I would guess.... if you don't do frequently, some one who is on 1 hour a day will likely be missed ... if someone doesn't log out... you will have 12 entries a day, that leads to a lot of nuisance entries.

Your presence is recorded every time any app see you online and if it is longer than ~60 minutes since last record. Thanks to dynamic icons I can do this also when you (re)load your app bar or home page. And in case you are guilded ofc.

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