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#1 Добавлено Lexius 1 десятилетие назад Доклад | Цитировать [en]

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i have a question ... i have -66 fame with master of goo... i want to get it down to 0... but dunno how ... i thought i can do missions from the master of goo prospector but i cant do missions there... has anyone an idea how i can get the fame down to 0 ???

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#2 Добавлено Aaylejah 1 десятилетие назад Доклад | Цитировать [en]

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usually there's some journeyman or a hunter or so that'll also give you fame for the tribe, that's the only way I know personally to get it to a positive value

#3 Добавлено Amnesia(arispotle) 1 десятилетие назад Доклад | Цитировать [en]

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Or kill all guards around their main camp and than speak with the NPCs inside the camp. Many times the NPCs in the camp will give you mission even if you have Fame in the extreme negatives.

#4 Добавлено Erizon(arispotle) 1 десятилетие назад Доклад | Цитировать [en]

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Everyone starts out with -67 with Lagoon Brothers too, and I wanted to work their fame. What I ended up doing was to hit invuln, accept a mission or two from whoever would talk to me in the game (usually the faction ambassador, sometimes another), and die. I would complete the mission, then go back, invuln, and turn it in.

It's not a fast process by any stretch. But I only needed to do this to get above -50. There are also other wandering NPCs in the region associated with your target tribe. I know for Masters of the Goo, I seem to bump into them all the time.

#5 Добавлено Lexius 1 десятилетие назад Доклад | Цитировать [en]

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i tried the master of goo hunter and the master of goo prospector... i cant take missions from both cause my fame is to low with em ...

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#6 Добавлено Karu 1 десятилетие назад Доклад | Цитировать [en]

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Lexius

i tried the master of goo hunter and the master of goo prospector... i cant take missions from both cause my fame is to low with em ...

Find tryker scout in Void.

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#7 Добавлено Marelli(arispotle) 1 десятилетие назад Доклад | Цитировать [en]

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The welcomer won't give you missions until your fame is above -65, but if you have above 0 karavan fame you can tun into their camp under invul and take a mission from the Karavan ambassador.

Otherwise your only option is to find the Scout, Ba'Caussey Keffan, or the Journeyman, Ba'Reiliam Lichan. They're both walking around Void, they're Trykers and they don't show as being Master of the Goo members.

Hunters and prospectors won't give you missions until your fame is above 0.

#8 Добавлено Kilgoretrout 1 десятилетие назад Доклад | Цитировать [en]

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As per norm Trykers are always helpful.:) (Matisians can hold your "as a place to stand my beer on" comments)

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#9 Добавлено Jola 1 десятилетие назад Доклад | Цитировать [en]

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Related questions:

When you do a TRIBAL fame mission (primary upgrade) you get also get:

primary downgrades

collateral upgrades

collateral downgrades

When you do a CIV fame mission (primary upgrade) you get also get:

collateral upgrades

collateral downgrades

I think.

Q1. Are the upgrades and downgrades the same magnitude?

Q2. How does the magnitude of the collateral changes compare to the primary change? I heard it was 10% as much?

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#10 Добавлено Cotare 1 десятилетие назад Доклад | Цитировать [en]

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Maybe these two links can help:

http://en.ryzomnomnom.com/wiki/Tribe_fame
http://en.ryzomnomnom.com/wiki/Tribes

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#11 Добавлено Jola 1 десятилетие назад Доклад | Цитировать [en]

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Thanks. Yes, I had checked those. While helpful about tribe fame in general, I could not find much information about the magnitudes of various changes. This is where I got my tentative answer of 10% to Q2. However, nothing is even mentioned in the wiki articles about primary downgrades or collateral downgrades that occur as a result of doing missions.

The focus of the wiki articles is about how to gain fame with a single tribe, mostly ignoring any ill effects that might have on related tribes/civs.

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#12 Добавлено Hekla 1 десятилетие назад Доклад | Цитировать [en]

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In absolute rates, raising tribe fame is slow, possibly the same rate as Faction fame, while Civilization fame is, I believe, quite fast. I'm pretty sure they're linear (loss and gain match for equivalent fames).

How gaining fame with one influences collaterals definitely takes absolute rate in consideration, but it's probably adjusted to the collateral's level as well. So I don't expect the 10% magnitude is linear. Fame gain in general is a "Bell" curve, faster rate around zero, slower towards the edges; say toon fame for a tribe is around zero, and toon Civilization fame is high, it would make sense for tribe fame delta to be high, but Civilization fame delta to be small, relative to their own rate.

The API's XML will give you fractions for fame levels (well, an integer, which is divided by 6000 and rounded off to be displayed in game), making it easier to see minute changes.

#13 Добавлено Marelli(arispotle) 1 десятилетие назад Доклад | Цитировать [en]

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Jola

When you do a TRIBAL fame mission (primary upgrade) you get also get:
primary downgrades from their Tribal enemies
collateral upgrades from their Civ friends
collateral downgrades from their Civ enemies

Incorrect as far as my research showed. Tribal enemies also give collateral downgrades. There's no such thing as primary downgrades anymore since the fame patch years ago - unless you mean the downgrade you get when you kill a tribe NPC.

Hence why the article, which is mostly based on my research, doesn't mention anything about primary downgrades - they don't exist as far as I could tell.

Magnitude is a difficult thing to measure seeing as we cannot see the "real amounts" of fame. Apart from the fact that we cannot see decimals, it's clear as day that the difference between 99 and 100 is much more fame than the difference between 0 and 1, so even if we could see decimals we'd have no way to quantify the "amount" of fame that a mission gives.

#14 Добавлено Jola 1 десятилетие назад Доклад | Цитировать [en]

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Marelli

There's no such thing as primary downgrades anymore...

Thanks for the clarification. Does this mean it is theoretically possible to simultaneously get all tribal fames up to their maximum caps?

Hekla

Fame gain in general is a "Bell" curve, faster rate around zero, slower towards the edges;

Q3. Given the lack of observable precision, how can we be sure that the bell curve applies to collateral changes?

I guess I am wondering if anyone has ever documented something like this. We do fame missions for a primary civ/tribe which also results in 2 collateral changes:

Fame Primary changes ..... -10 => 10
1st Collateral changes ........ -1 => 1 ...... (only 10% as much because collateral)
2nd Collateral changes ...... 75 => 76 .... (only 10% x 50% as much because collateral AND bell effects)

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#15 Добавлено Marelli(arispotle) 1 десятилетие назад Доклад | Цитировать [en]

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Jola

Thanks for the clarification. Does this mean it is theoretically possible to simultaneously get all tribal fames up to their maximum caps?

Not quite, because imagine you're neutral and have all caps at 50, and you've worked your fame up so that you have 50.000 Kuild fame and 49.999 Company of the Eternal fame. Getting that last 0.001 point of Company fame would drop your Kuild fame to 49.999, trying to get that back up to 50.000 would then get your Company fame down to 49.999 again, etc. The nature of the "cap" prevents you from maxing both, but you can get both 1 point below cap.

What I did to test tribe fame was get a hostile tribe ( one that has both an enemy tribe and an enemy civ ) from -100 to -50 and see what it did to my fame with the enemy tribe (which was around 0) and the civ (which was around 50). Both dropped by just a few points.

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