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#1 Добавлено Tumbleweed 1 десятилетие назад [en]

So far we have only two dual wield setups . Can we get more of them, like dual wield swords or axes or whatever else?

#2 Добавлено Amnesia(arispotle) 1 десятилетие назад [en]

The only thing i could really see as another dual weild option is Staves. They are rather like baseball bats here so it won't be an unrealistic option to dual wield those. Maybe even swords. But axes and maces not so much. Unless they somehow made them take 2x the stamina.

#3 Добавлено Suboxide 1 десятилетие назад [en]

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can imagine myself running up an put to axes in somebody's head :p (would love it but not gonna happen i think)

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#4 Добавлено Breony(arispotle) 1 десятилетие назад [en]

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Dual wield isn't very efficient in real life. It does look interesting in motion, but the off-hand is usually meant for parrying, not for attacking. :-)

Regarding staves: I say, rename "staves" to "batons" (that's what they are... calling them "staves" is probably just a translation error in first place!) and give us real, two-handed quarterstaff. It could very well reuse the pike animation.

#5 Добавлено Amnesia(arispotle) 1 десятилетие назад [en]

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Yes! That's the one! Batons! I been looking for the proper word!

And yes i miss the proper staves, and the animation of Pike is more like the Staves fighting style. Pikes suppose to be used in a different style...

#6 Добавлено Marla 1 десятилетие назад [en]

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Breony

Dual wield isn't very efficient in real life. It does look interesting in motion, but the off-hand is usually meant for parrying, not for attacking. :-)

It depends ... Miyamoto Musashi for instance is famously known for wielding two full-sized katanas and that was definitely not meant for parrying which usually relies on the shorter kodachi.

Edit: Musashi is considered as one of the greatest warriors of all times, so the inefficiency in real life may not be an argument ;-) /Edit

Would be nice to have dual sword wield ^^
Maybe force the use of circular attack to make it more expensive ?

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#7 Добавлено Norbdrakon 1 десятилетие назад [en]

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Marla

Would be nice to have dual sword wield ^^

silly... for sword+dagger you need grind levels for both... and sword and dagger also... i don't see any reasons for leveling sword+dagger weapons if i can easy up swords only and fights "like Musashi"...

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#8 Добавлено Marla 1 десятилетие назад [en]

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I don't quite see the problem in that, but it sure is also possible to have a separate "dual sword" skill to grind.

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#9 Добавлено Suboxide 1 десятилетие назад [en]

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wouldn't that make the skill system way to complicated since for sword+dagger and dagger+dagger you lvl sword and dagger skill but now you want all off a sudden a seperate dual wield skill tree for sword+sword?

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#10 Добавлено Marla 1 десятилетие назад [en]

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Suboxide

wouldn't that make the skill system way to complicated since for sword+dagger and dagger+dagger you lvl sword and dagger skill but now you want all off a sudden a seperate dual wield skill tree for sword+sword?

I was just answering to Nordbrakon ... I don't think that would be necessary personally, but he seems to think that it would make things too easy if grinding sword alone is enough =)

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#11 Добавлено Norbdrakon 1 десятилетие назад [en]

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Marla

I don't quite see the problem in that, but it sure is also possible to have a separate "dual sword" skill to grind.

hooo... and separate "dual daggers"?.. and separate "dagger+sword"?.. separate "lance+shield"?.. =) remove old exp system, create new one just for "dual wield weapons / weapons with shield" exping?..

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#12 Добавлено Marla 1 десятилетие назад [en]

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Norbdrakon

Marla
I don't quite see the problem in that, but it sure is also possible to have a separate "dual sword" skill to grind.

hooo... and separate "dual daggers"?.. and separate "dagger+sword"?.. separate "lance+shield"?.. =) remove old exp system, create new one just for "dual wield weapons / weapons with shield" exping?..

Unless I'm very much mistaken on the semantical value of "I don't quite see the problem in that", I do believe I was not advocating for a separate dual wield XP system. I was just saying that I would not be bothered if your qualms could be assuaged by removing what you considered to be an overly advantageous situation through an additional grind requirement. Or was that not the issue at hand ?

Norbdrakon

silly... for sword+dagger you need grind levels for both... and sword and dagger also... i don't see any reasons for leveling sword+dagger weapons if i can easy up swords only and fights "like Musashi"...

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#13 Добавлено Ghuiss 1 десятилетие назад [en]

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yeah yeah

sword sword

and

stave stave :D

awesome biscuits...

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#14 Добавлено Iala(arispotle) 1 десятилетие назад [en]

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hmm, dual wielding 1h axes or maces would look good :)

#15 Добавлено Tumbleweed 1 десятилетие назад [en]

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Anyway sword+dagger setup isn't popular at all. When one needs to choose, he/she most likely sticks with either 2H weapon or 1H + shield. I bet the dual wield setup with two similar weapons would be much more popular if being implemented. It could fill up a DPS gap between two main setups mentioned above.