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#302 Добавлено Sinvaders 4 года назад [en] 

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Before adding anything related to the "lock" into the CoC they should first fix it.

#303 Добавлено Erisapple 4 года назад [en] 

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I wish there was some way to make everyone happy. But I know realistically that just isn't going to happen. At this point we're just beating a dead horse. But perhaps some of these idea for Ops should be posted in the Ideas forum?

I will say though, that limiting the number of toons at an OP or not allowing new guild members (as was mentioned much earlier in this thread) makes me sad when I think about it. My first experience with PVP EVER was an OP battle. I was still a very young homin, hadn't even hit 125 in ele yet and was a pretty new Reaper, probably less than a month. Jayce and Sehraci got me to go. I died a lot but it was so much fun. After that I started tagging up and becoming active in the faction. I guess it was kinda a gateway drug ;) I don't know, I guess I just think it would be really sad to have to leave young homins out of something.

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#304 Добавлено Xaco 4 года назад [en] 

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i have only now noticed the discussion and i am very happy about this change of direction. the "affected" babble about the fact that it doesn't make a difference if you control another one or 3 chars. i find this completely ridiculous. everybody sees that you are nothing more than unpunished bot users. you talk about "investing" in your chars. you have cheated with your chars over the years and talk about "investing" and now you are treated unfairly? you should be banned directly. Just the supposed defense that this is all happening because of the complaints of the few. Maybe the few complain, but I can assure you that it is a thorn in the side of many. Of course there are other rules to refer to now, but let's start with the obvious ones.

#305 Добавлено Itzy 4 года назад [en] 

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Xaco
i have only now noticed the discussion and i am very happy about this change of direction. the "affected" babble about the fact that it doesn't make a difference if you control another one or 3 chars. i find this completely ridiculous. everybody sees that you are nothing more than unpunished bot users.

Really ? everybody ? I actually find that a bit hard to believe

#306 Добавлено Yaandor 4 года назад [en] 

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Actually I find it hard to believe that Xaco read the entire thread.

Beeficus was thoroughly checked out and exonerated - at no point was he using any kind of bots or scripts.

Get the facts before casting accusations.

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#307 Добавлено Victoriacamper 4 года назад [en] 

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Oh except he goes around telling people he does and how he fooled CSRs about this ^_^.

CSRs can't actually "thoroughly check you out", they can only examine the material you provide them yourself, and that alone makes a difference. You can draw your own conclusions. Also there is no way to prove whether your whole extended family is playing the toons you spent years building up or if its you controlling them with key cloners :o


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Evidently it does not matter. In the end, it's been about 3 months since the topic got published (8 years since discussion started?) and nothing has happened (nor will it happen).

So keep enjoying your bots freely :-)



Let's make Ryzom great again.

#308 Добавлено Oxxy 4 года назад [fr] 

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Bonjour à tous ! Désoler de relancer le truc mais ...

Pourquoi avoir interdit le multibox sur OP, Boss maraud et évenement et pas sur changements de saison? Déjà qeue nous sommes pas beaucoup à y participer dans les zones pvp mais si on se tape des team de 15 en face avec des joueurs a 4 compte ... Ca va ENCORE dégouter tout le monde.

Le multiboxing a étais "interdit" pour pas qu'un camp prennent l'avantage gracee à ça mais sur les changements de saison .. l'avantage est quand même monstrueux.

Personnellement l'interdire sur boss, roi .. si ils sont untag pvp je trouve pas ca dérangant ca empêche pas les autres de joué .. Mais sur les activités principalement PVP la c'est problèmatique.

Merci de m'avoir lu :)

Last edited by Shiijian (4 года назад)

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#309 Добавлено Beeficus 4 года назад [en] 

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Oxxy
Bonjour à tous ! Désoler de relancer le truc mais ...

Pourquoi avoir interdit le multibox sur OP, Boss maraud et évenement et pas sur changements de saison? Déjà qeue nous sommes pas beaucoup à y participer dans les zones pvp mais si on se tape des team de 15 en face avec des joueurs a 4 compte ... Ca va ENCORE dégouter tout le monde.

Le multiboxing a étais "interdit" pour pas qu'un camp prennent l'avantage gracee à ça mais sur les changements de saison .. l'avantage est quand même monstrueux.

Personnellement l'interdire sur boss, roi .. si ils sont untag pvp je trouve pas ca dérangant ca empêche pas les autres de joué .. Mais sur les activités principalement PVP la c'est problèmatique.

Merci de m'avoir lu :)

Yeah, ban those evil alts. Ban alts from using picks. Ban alts from PvP zones. Ban people from talking about alts. Ban the alt key. Take a screwdriver and rip it from your keyboard. Why not? Just ban any problem that upsets a kami, real or imagined. That always works out so well for the game.

What's the matter Oxxy? You dont have enough sups? Did Mathimat come along and dig something you wanted? Or are you just laying awake at night sweating and worrying about alts?

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#310 Добавлено Oxxy 4 года назад [fr] 

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Ce n'est pas ce que je dis Beef .. Ca m'arrive de jouer a 3 ou 4 compte pour forer ou pve je vois aucun soucis avec ca :) Je dis juste que si c'est interdit sur des activées boss maraud, roi, etc et pas sur changement de saison c'est pas correcte.

La seul chose qui me dérange c'est de ramener 4 personnages pour pvp alors que l'équipe en question est déjà équilibré ou en surnombre. C'est uniquement pour gagner avec 0 fair-play.

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#311 Добавлено Sinvaders 4 года назад [fr] 

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Lache l'affaire Oxxy, ils s'en battent le coquillard du "pas fair-play de combattre avec 4 alts qui healent en meme temps".

#312 Добавлено Oxxy 4 года назад [fr] 

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Je me doute Sin .. Mais c'est quand même relou .. A la base je compter pas relancer le sujet mais les GM en DM mon dis de faire comme ca ..

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#313 Добавлено Elke 4 года назад [en] 

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Oxxy somewhat has a point. The situation s/he talks about gave the impression that there was one person with 3 or 4 alts as heal support. That does make an uneven and un-enjoyable playing ground in PvP situations.

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#314 Добавлено Beeficus 4 года назад Многоязычный 

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So just to summarize:

The Marauders are accusing the Kamis of breaking the alt rules, both openly and using account-sharing, for bosses, NPC bosses and OP battles.
The Kamis are accusing the Marauders of doing the same.
There are fingers being pointed, bans being handed out and rescinded, endless drama and headaches all around.
Every faction has lost players as a direct result of changes to the CoC regarding alts.
Since this time last year, there is as of right now less balance between factions, more drama and accusations than ever and more work and headaches for the devs and for the support team.

It might be time to admit that this was a bad idea, made for bad reasons and badly implemented.

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#315 Добавлено Dullahan 4 года назад [fr] 

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just embrace the alts, other games have built in bots ffs, an alt being controlled by another human is not as bad as that, and those alt owners won't be rping for you even if you ban them.

and the ryzom team banned alts but didn't improve anything on the solo experience of this game, talk about tunnel vision.

I've been trying to solo level my toon, just to try it out, the sitting regen is enough time for me to make a coffe, take a P, watch a yt video, and the hp bar is still not full.


the potions side effects are more of a drag than anything, flowers don't do much, there was a good idea to improve solo experience like the firecamp regen but was ignored.

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#316 Добавлено Elke 4 года назад [en] 

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just embrace the alts, other games have built in bots ffs, an alt being controlled by another human is not as bad as that, and those alt owners won't be rping for you even if you ban them.

and the ryzom team banned alts but didn't improve anything on the solo experience of this game, talk about tunnel vision.

I've been trying to solo level my toon, just to try it out, the sitting regen is enough time for me to make a coffe, take a P, watch a yt video, and the hp bar is still not full.


the potions side effects are more of a drag than anything, flowers don't do much, there was a good idea to improve solo experience like the firecamp regen but was ignored.

You make good points there - for improving the solo game. Those are not arguments towards multiboxing. I do agree there, especially for the usability of flowers and potions. Maybe stronger versions of those could be added in some form. Maybe some of the profession items be improved to serve that purpose.

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