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that's the real problem today with anim... find a consistency between the 3 community RP (or lore)
i think it's study by GM in progress

I 'm so sorry to have polluted the post born in Roleplay section! really sorry!
an admin to move my explications in other post eventually?

[OOC] Dear players,
 The Animation Team must intervene on this delicate matter to remind you of some essential elements:
 
 Importance of mutual respect
 
 RP and non-RP players share the same server. Certainly there approach of the game is different, but this is not an unsurmountable problem if everyone makes ​​an effort. When a matter of concern presents itself, if you do not find a solution by talking quietly together, then we advise you to turn to a mediator. In this case, the Animation Team can be called first, since this problem has to do with a role play event.
 
 What is a RP event?
 
 It is an event in which players play the role of their character, both consistently and in compliance with the Lore of Ryzom. In this type of event, friendships between players should not be taken into account: this is the game's story, and the experiences of the characters dictate their conduct.
 
 What is an non-RP event?
 
 This is an event that is not bound to the coherence of the story or the characters lives and experiences. A non-RP event is above all a good time shared by all players who want nothing but to have fun together. During such an event, the game's story and the experiences of the characters are of no importance. Only the feel of the moment matters.
 
 Intrusion in an out of roleplay (HRP/OCC) manner in a roleplay event (RP/IC) is equally as condemnable as disrespectful roleplay at a non-roleplay event .
 
 What is an assembly and what is the scope of its decisions?
 
 Each nation is represented by assemblies consisting of players and led by an animator. These assemblies meet regularly and may issue "laws" on their territory. These "laws" are often offered by the players themselves but must be approved by the animator (which refers to the Animation Team), as a safeguard and assurance of compliance with the Lore.  A meeting is a RP event. Its "laws" have a roleplay effect.

 What can we learn about the Marauders from the Lore?
 
 During the first Swarm (long before the time of your characters), many homins, helped by the Powers were able to flee the Old Lands and create Nations in the New Lands. The remaining homins stuck on the Old Lands survived with difficulty amidst the kitins. A homin, Melkiar united them under the name Marauders; to them and to Melkiar, the homins of the New Lands and the Powers had abandoned them to the claws of the kitins. That is why they are eager for revenge and vengeance.

The Marauders from the Old Lands have recruited angry homins in the New Lands and have indoctrinated them to serve their plans. Among these new Marauders, one can not only find idealists who really believe in Melkiar words, but also opportunists who seek to take advantage of their power and their technology. They also harbor in their midst people who are researched by the law, therefore avoiding prison and having a way to give free rein to their violent impulses.( [u]http://atys.ryzom.com/projects/puben/wiki/L_Marauder_Civilizat ion[/u]
http://app.ryzom.com/app_lore/index.php?page=/projects/puben/wiki /L_Marauder )
 
Roleplaywise, the Marauders of the New Lands are not nice guys but, on the contrary, are the villains of the story, agitators, and criminals. It is possible that amongst the Marauders, some have expressed doubts and have a different point of view, but the Marauders are seen by the homins of the Nations as villains. They are bandits who are unwelcome who will be chased with pikes when they are identified.

This RP view is also supported by the gameplay which requires every Marauder to be hated by every nation and religion (very negative reputation) and then to kill six Homins before advancing in his rite to be accepted as a Marauder in the New Lands.
 
 Marauders and Tryker market
 
  In this RP context, a Nation (here the Tryker nation) creating laws stating that the Marauders are unwelcome on their land and that if they come to market (a RP event), they will be hunted, is legitimate, logical, and consistent.
  
Also such a RP context, the fact that the Marauders are not interested in or violate the laws of a Nation they do not recognize is legitimate, logical and consistent.
  
 Therefore, if the Marauders come on Fair Haven's market despite the ban, it is normal that the guards try to chase or to kill them, and it also is consistent that the merchants refuse to sell anything (unless doing so under duress ...).
 
Specifically, nothing in the gameplay prohibits Marauder players from coming to market; we will however be asking the players to respect the roleplaying side of the event, and not to disrupt it by harassing via PVP (as opposed to possibly exchanging a few words, fighting a little, then leaving).
 
 What about the right to play as you want and where you want?
 
 Again, it is a matter of respect. The freedom of one person ends where someone else's freedom begins. Marauder players have the right to participate in a market, whether it is for gameplay reasons or roleplay reasons. Having the Marauders do some short RP raids on the market in retaliation would be reasonable, but having the battle shift onto the non-roleplay level and become a verbal battle between players, escalating to exclusion of players from a future non-roleplay event is not. That would be the beginning of an escalation  endless and harmful to all.
 
Why not, for example, enjoy the Black Market in Darkmoor that is intended to be HRP and therefore open to all? Or prepare a RP "Mister Marauder" event, excluding any non-participant marauder?
 
 What if the conflict does not abate?
 
If, despite this, things continue to go wrong, the Support Team is here to advise and enforce the proper rules of courtesy. If there are problems, it may have to impose sanctions ranging from a warning to a permanent ban, based on the previous record of the player.
  We hope this information will help you.
 And do not forget that Ryzom is a game! [/OOC]

Grytt :)

 
the link only says this about their aggression: Marauders of the Old Lands vehemently reject both the Kamis and the Karavan and will fight those who support either religion

it does not say this:
Aris maurauders did not wait in the pvp zones of Prime Roots to kill homins, they were not massively villains of the story, agitators, and criminals

I am concerned that this hatred of them in role play clashes with the way they were seen on Aris server

Tamarea thank you for your post however I personally feel that it was written with a complete bias towards roleplayers. Firstly I would like to quote you twice:

1. [FH] market (a RP event)

2. A non-RP event is above all a good time shared by all players who want nothing but to have fun together. During such an event, the game's story and the experiences of the characters are of no importance. Only the feel of the moment matters.

These two statements are complete utter contradictions, at the very least in reference to the FHF experienced on Ari. You talk of respect but where was the respect offered to the players who were on Ari when the Tryker RPers hijacked the FHF, twisted it into a RP event and solely excluded the marauders from it.

I will add a third quote which I feel will sum up my thoughts on the situation at hand, and reflects many others as well:

3. [It is] disrespectful [to] roleplay at a non-roleplay event.

I don't think I need to mention the particular CoC you have quoted and the thought that what some players have done could be considered against it...

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I have spoken to many Ari players and even ones who don't usually agree with me all the time and many have backed up exactly what I believe; That the FH fair on ari was not a RP event, instead it was an event for the server. In fact, let me quote a friend:

"FHF is not in my mind a Tryker event, but an Atysian event put on by the Trykers. That being the case, all homins should be welcome. In addition is is an event with a very LOW RP factor".

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Your own personal take on marauders is far too outdated. Many old players roleplayed as such and where are they now? They all left. Instead, Syndicate has now attempted to revitalise the Marauder faction, many players even leaving their own faction, their lovely hard fought and won q250 OPs and sadly some friends as well. This was, for me at least, a huge sacrifice. One that I took upon myself to make for the better of the game.

The marauders currently have, as I am sure you are aware, no meetings, no events, no missions and certainly no RP made for us. I understand this is supposed to come, but that was several months ago. Instead everything we do, we make up ourselves. Any other events that are made can be considered a little treat for us, something we can do without having to put any effort into creating it. So I am sure you can imagine my reaction when I read that I will not be allowed into the FHF, a server-wide non-roleplay event. The most RP that has actually ever been brought to an Ari FHF was a little speech I once made about tryker freedom, it lasted less than 2 minutes and that was about it.

There are little events as it is these days- do we really need to start excluding people from it? I know many of the higher-powers that be are set on removing the marauders from the game and I can only imagine their delight when CSN left but the marauders bring a much needed third point of the triangle to OP wars. This game, despite much outspoken hate against PVP, would be dead without it.

I do not roleplay much, but when I do it is nothing like how CSN used to roleplay. Think about what we have seen recently- the Karas and Marauders fighting together at an OP battle. The game has changed and the roleplay adapts.

I won't delve much into the roleplay that I personally follow but it can be found here as are several links below it. Just have a thought for a second, I was in another faction first, like many other marauders, am I just meant to suddenly start roleplaying that I was left behind in another land and hate the people who deserted me? Sounds stupid to me.

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To expand on my views of a "nation", one which no one has actually even attempted to properly speak against even though choosing to openly dismiss it. The marauders are an organisation, we are NOT a nation. We are actually, a multi-national organization. Although we may not like the governments that run those particular nations we are still bound to the nations through many particular ties. If you disagree feel free to state reasons why, but stop dismissing this without actually thinking about it.

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where was the respect offered to tryker RPers when the players who where on Ari hijacked the FHF (rp for animo)?

it was for you may be! not for aniro players! that's why we are very surprise of the reaction...
we can find a solution no? for both side of game? RP and OOC?

I feel it is a real shame that it had to come down to massive discussions on the forums and on uni- I believe that I tried to approach the situation with both OOC and RP reasons for change, and even offered a RP reason why we should be able to attend the fair.

What solution did you have in mind?

Trying to put together an Aris history for mara homins ... also trying to recover from some suggestions from Aniro homins about what should have happened to Nizyros

And I think we have to discuss this Virg - because this seems a big clash between the Aris and Aniro community - and again we are doing this on role play forum ... oh well

Well when a previously seen (on Ari) non-RP event ends up being turned into a RP event (non-RP->RP) one can only assume that people will get angry and try and turn it back around (RP->non-RP). The shame is that it is on the RP forum in the first place where imo it doesn't belong (Ref: Tamarea's definitions).

I had a little read on Nizy's case and could not quite believe that they wanted to completely stop him from playing on that account all together. After X many years of work.. Well in doing so they aren't really doing any positive promotion (imo) for RP. "Hey come RP and we will try to stop you playing on your main toon!"

Hopefully we can find a fix but all of my propositions have been turned down without much reason or rhyme.

Makes me think we should have a warning for new refugees - as in potential subbed homins - Beware what race and alligence you take - it makes a huge difference to your experience of the game - and to be honest I find that very sad

I can point out here that the Support crew could do a rename if requested as a way out of the RP "killing Nizyros". A name change and a new tattoo and we put him on the protective services plan and it's all good. I'm assuming that Nizyros was voluntarily playing the villain in this scenario.

-- B.

OOC
But hell's bells Bittty - do you not see this as something over the top? The RP Nizyros has done is fine and was carefully worked out - time has been spent on it - this criticism is just obsessive and, also, means all refugees should get a warning about what race and alliance they choose when they start the game - which in my opinion is just not right!

Nizyros is automatically a villain - according to Aniro lore - see what is written above - but he has had his name for some 10 years I suspect - so this is just not on!

> Actually Tamarea you got to kill nobody or 1-2 tops to do mara lore it's been broken for months!!!!!!!!!!!

Then again:

English NON-RP discussion versus French RP means we need to ask the French RP event team to fix it?????

Sorry but tamarea in all of this you are part of  the problem here, you are part of the community the discussion is about or against or who knows. Yes Tos or CoC says somewhere me telling you that is a bannable offence so go on.

It still comes down to how different servers where and you coming from the other server have no rights to tell us coming from ari that our way of playing was/is wrong.
I feel sorry for you but on ari mara was played differently and Akilla and such who we meat trough roleplay on our server was portrayed differently aswell.

I come from a server where my fame meant nothing for my gameplay and I want that server back. I hate ryzom more and more by the day sadly because it's now a game where just some players got all the rights to pester you away RP wise. RP is nice but pestering ppl away with RP is whats going on now but I guess me telling you wich is part of that RP group will do nuthing!!!

We all like/liked ryzom for what It got but it's easy kind off atm RP players RP so are in contact with event team, Non-RP players don't RP so are in contact with nobody and only got these forums to react to what the RP community is doing to them.


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=> rant over for now hope to all see you ingame and be friendly but I guess thats impossible since I'm not even allowed by the french to rez them (yes I get insults if I rez a player I see death these days)

=> Will haplly sub 4 accounts instead of 2 now to support this game if we get our old server and way of playing back since now I play a game wich i'm starting to hate on this server.

Please mind the language when posting, edited to remove offensive swearing.

This is true Subbo - and not having an OOC forum to discuss it all on is really not good - we have a community issue here and this is a community problem - though maybe it is not a problem for the hard-line role players?

I tried to write "History" of our experience on Aris - but probably no one much is reading it ...