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ok all play with all...
and marauders, kara, kami, nation why this is?
marauders who attack citizens are normally forbidden to be in tryker assembly, you are on RP-mode ON here. (Hrp: ask a taliban to be on white-house, i'm sur that he will be welcome lol /hrp)
If you want to play taliari (=rp-role) you need assume to be marauder or not. if not i need tekorn, rubbarn Vedice, and maga 250! what? i play and i want to profite of the game.. no?

a fair for all can be create (include marauders) but it's demand to "be organize" like Chanchey know to do it sometime.

Lordoy Jazzy, let me clear this up for you. I consulted one of the oldest Marauders, one who knows the true meaning of words, his name is Wikip Edia and he is wise beyond his years. He told me that:

"A nation is a large group of homins who share a common language, culture, ethnicity, descent, or history".

I did not start as a marauder, my path has been one of many changes. I started as a mere Tryker and gained fame as such. However I soon became a devout Monk and followed the teachings of the Theocracy and the Kami. These teachings were sadly not of war and when the Karavan started pushing the boarders I choose a more brash approach, taking up the teachings of the Fyros, but still Kami.

It is only until recently that I eventually realized how corrupt, useless and lazy the government was. I realized they would be the doom of us all. Due to this, my family and I did what needed doing. I hope that makes it clear enough. I still fight for the homins of Atys but I oppose the governments and all who support them. In time more people will see the truth and join us. In time more people will see that the governments can not protect them from the dangers above and below us.


Now, onto the complete and utter violation of the Tryker Government towards the FTA. You see, looking at the teachings of Wikip Edia you may notice Jazzy, governments have nothing to do with what is essential to a nation. We Jazzy, are both the normal height for homins to be and share common ancestors no doubt. I started as a Marauder late in life, I am not one of those who was abandoned. This brings us even closer together. Although we do not share the same views, we are part of the same nation.


The marauders have acted in concordance with the FTA. The FTA states that we have to open up our goods for access for all. Now, we know that many people struggle to enter our camps, so in fact we have maintained close relations with the Matisian merchants and you will find them selling our goods in any Matis city.


The Tryker Government must change their decision. The FTA is fundamental to the progression of Atys. Let me kindly remind you just one of the clauses you have broken, smashed and stomped into the ground:

4.2 No signatory member state of the FTA may grant exclusive trade rights to another member nation nor prejudice the rights of another member.

Marauders are members of different nations, we are part of the FTA.

[EDIT1: Spelling Mistake]

Jazzy yes I don't RP but that doesn't make me a criminal. I leave RP alone and the ppl doing it alone aswell (while they send me tells on how much they hate me and such all I do is ignore it) i'm not intruding (sometimes even try to partake but recent times less and less since everytime I try I get shot down by ppl like you).
All I want is that RP leave alone ppl playing the game for it's GP (gameplay) or atleast not forbid them from doing certain things. Those guards in FH (less now) forbid ppl from the GP they been doing for years by hiding behind RP. The Fairhaven fairs have always been more GP then RP where everyone was just as welcome and asked to partake. Yes it's organized trough RP in the meetings wich I'm thankfull some ppl wanna do. But to all of a sudden saying the fair itself is RP now because we RP organized it thats just a sad thing and will make ppl like to feel less and less welcome in this game since if GP is starting to get forbidden I have nothing to do except unsubbing and who knows who else. (not unsubbing yet Bina). I have always liked the events and tried to partake in the GP events organized by the RP community if that community now doesn't want me there and even adds extra guards well then I'll see this as a sad thing for this game and it's state of community. 

* and yes as an non RP player and non english I can't write posts in RP mode (nice job for the ppl who can) maybe somebody can  try and translate it to RP speak, or split the topics wich would make reading so much more fun

where can we see your FTA?
who have written this FTA?
sorry because i don't know it, and i would read it if it's possible.

marauder are anti-nation! is it too difficult to understand that pro-nation don't want marauder in their life?
(i say rp!!!!! like i have said you tomorrow! occ saying, i try to create game for all players around me! and you know that with the soty of Grizabella)

but sorry in a mmoRPG you need to be RP. if not, Ryzom will become like call of duty or more... WoW!

i propose you to talk about this pb ingame

(i note you i try to speack english but it's very difficult for me to explain very good my point of view.)

the FTA no idea who wrote is but yes it's actual part of game lore somewhere.

Marauder are anti nation? since when?
Marauder tried to convince the nations in letting them live there but power hungry the nations where they attacked the mara convois and didn't want those old homins in their teritory. Mara then settled into a small camp build with the help of trykers in the desert part of the forest. (atleast on aristople where that didn't mean anything roleplay wise)

Anyway the way I read what you say is "it's your way or the highway"? <= sorry but if I read it corectly then good bye sir and don't let the door hit you on your way out don't need ppl like that myself. This is a place to relax not to folow rules and stuff, makes me freaking sad that way of thinking.

We where 3 servers all playing differently I say lets just mix and match some stuff still do what you like to do but stop excluding ppl and stuff for an mmorpg you still need ppl wanting to play. Stop thinking black and white you can still do heavy RP but when it's public big events stop thinking like you freaking are the boss and banning ppl (you never talked with) from an event. All you'll acchieve is angry ppl (one that most lickly will get a ban when he sings i'm a barbie girl in shout the whole fair long), some others that att so you can point fingers and show how bad the mara are and so on... 
< if that makes you happy go for it and kill the game make the community feel rotten won't be my singing doing it but your RP forbidding ppl that always where welcome at an event to be banned

hmm no sorry!
1/ fair of FH was may be just GP on arispotle!
but always be RP on aniro! we have create the market place to FH so...
so what we do?

2/ i'm not all players!
i don't hate you! but i try to be rp, like you it's not a crime i think.
when i see homin attack tryker guard, i trad that it's an ennemy of trykers.
and just for information: try to compare Lore of Nevrax and your Lore... like someone know say: 'it's pathetic'

i respect ALL players! ALL! ask Bina for exemple when i have tell her long time about marauder in her guild even if she want to be taliar! ask her if i have not support her and your guild!
so dont be general! because i could be too and shoot that EN pull moob and attack always by surprise and don't try to speack other language that theirs!

please please please...
I have nomore energy to develop game content and entertain players, especially when I am severely criticized by players who only participate without "hold".

but i can reproch you to that you are rp just when you want to profite

thx all

think what you want, create your event! and continu to kill the game like you know reproch it to me!!!!

see you ...

just for the last:

http://atys.ryzom.com/projects/4/wiki/L_BeingMarauder

[OC] (Jazzy I understand that you are looking at this from a RP point of view. I spoke to you about it and tried to change your mind from a non-RP stance, for many non-RP reasons, but I saw that this was not possible. So, this time, I am trying to change the decision made by the Tryker Government using RP. I know I don't RP all the time, in fact I know only a small handfull of players who always RP. I even respect it when others want to RP (by attacking them) and when they don't want to RP (as you know when I don't attack you when you are training). I believe I have the right to try and change the governments decision through RP and I will try to do that. I know you respect others and I respect you. Also here is the link to the FTA.[OC]

As a homin, who is bound to a nation through his ancestry, poorly spoken langauge and history, I am entitled to the FTA. Marauders are not a nation. We are a multi-national organisation. As such we still belong to the original nations we were in before we took up the title "Marauder". We are anti-government.

If the Tryker Government continue with their path to break the FTA, I shall have no choice but to call forward the commission. Given the current bias circumstances against Marauders, I will have to call a special hearing, more details will be given later if this is the case. I hope we do not have to go down this path. Most of all, I hope the Tryker Government keeps to binding agreement that their ancestors signed up to in the year of 2516.

No RP isn't a crime, hats of to ppl that do heavy RP and events

I don't say kill the game or anything but why this hard stance on ppl who are mara alot of them are mara just because they been everything and are bored.
To me it feels like it's just hating for the hating yes some of them like PVP and see it as their endgame. But thats just some. Others went mara for totally different reasons some just for the heck of it others for some fun others thinking they could make a new free hominity ...

On ari kara/kami/mara/neutrals/all civs yes during normal gameplay and light events we all played toughether thats how our community was and alot of ppl liked and stayed because of that. 
Now on merged server thats not the deal anymore but still seems all the hate goes to the mara atm, everyone is friends and all that is done atm is kami/kara/civs/... trying to get mara out of game or something I don't know. Thats how I feel and can hardly call myself a real mara anymore not done anything ingame in months (if not years). I don't understand the hatred all of a sudden against from the biggest 2 factions and some smaller ones all off a sudden in force being against one small faction that isn't a treath to anyone.

On your guard killings most of the time it's some non mara boob attacking a guard by mistake or some tryker agro dragging one of the new guards from inside town to the outside onto me at the stables. Won't find many ppl attacking guards out of free will much I expect and I've spend many hour at the stables.

ps. Yes there is the mara rite but that one has been so bugged for months that 90% of them doing it never even need to kill the random FH guard

i'm not sûr at 100% Virg, but ALE (is RP because in the lore) have been signed between 4 nations representants.
and i have read ALE (thx for network-adress :) ), i report me to the first article (article 1.2).
Today marauders are ennemy of trykers (and i think noone can define really marauders, some say ennemy to nation, other say not...) so it's result that marauders are not welcome to lakes acticity!
after, if you want, you can contact me to turn this event rp!
i ask to get out federal guard, just Federal United army and if you win against, you could be on the market! just an idea like that!

to Suboxide, seeing your point of you, i think you are more Ranger that marauders... i suppose this because you only ennemy is kitin if i have understood.

i try to create some game in ryzom. i have never stop GP of one player... ask to Nizyros! with his trial! (he is free because we can't morally forbid a GP to a player. But he accept to do the rp-game paying a hard price! like a challenge for him)

and you need to know all, i'm not csr or gm. just a player who try to do live the game ... in game!
i'm ok to talk about marauders and their camp IG but i'm not The God of trykers.
but i want to explain this because i'm snip.

Nope i'm certainly not a ranger; yes they want to get rid of all kittin but they want it trough an army, no idea if they want freedom or power in the end when kittin are gone. And they just using conventional weapons given by them by the factions and the civs
I don't think you'll win with just conventional weapons against such powers mara and trytonists atleast are prepared to make sacrifices. Mara aren't scared of trying new things they invented their own tp system some have been seen playing with goo (or so has been told), don't know much about the trytonists but they are atleast after the truth aswel.

Yes mara have the same ennemy kittin it is what the mara are running from in the end. If the old lands where not kittin infested then the mara wouldn't be here. So it's natural mara want to get rid of the small bunches of kittin lingering in the new lands with who knows what weaponry they can come up with that safes us all.
Afterwards we atleast know what the mara want. And thats to expose the factions and the civ's for power hungry war mongering things they really are and to overtow them and by doing that freeing all homins from the brainwashing and their shackels. Thats how it was explained to us  by the akilla on aristople (no idea how the aniro akilla spoke since my guess it was totally different seeing how you react)

that's the real problem today with anim... find a consistency between the 3 community RP (or lore)
i think it's study by GM in progress

I 'm so sorry to have polluted the post born in Roleplay section! really sorry!
an admin to move my explications in other post eventually?

[HRP] Chers joueurs,

L'Équipe d'Animation se doit d'intervenir dans ce sujet délicat afin de rappeler certains éléments essentiels :

Importance du respect mutuel
Les joueurs RP et HRP partagent le même serveur. Certes, leur façon d'appréhender le jeu est différente, mais ce n'est pas incontournable si chacun fait des efforts. Lorsqu'un souci comme celui-ci se présente, si vous ne parvenez pas à trouver une solution en discutant sereinement  ensemble, alors nous vous conseillons de vous tourner vers un médiateur. Dans le cas présent, l'Équipe d'Animation peut être appelée en premier vu qu'il s'agit d'un problème né d'un roleplay. 

Qu'est-ce qu'un event RP ?
C'est un event dans lequel les joueurs jouent le rôle de leur personnage, à la fois de manière cohérente et dans le respect de la Lore de Ryzom. Dans ce type d'event, les amitiés entre joueurs ne doivent pas être prises en compte : c'est l'histoire du jeu et le vécu des personnages qui dictent la conduite de ces derniers.

Qu'est-ce qu'un event HRP ?
C'est un event qui n'est lié ni à la cohérence de l'histoire, ni au vécu des personnages. Un event HRP est avant tout un moment convivial partagé par tous les joueurs le désirant, sans autre but que celui de s'amuser ensemble. Dans ce type d'event, l'histoire du jeu et le vécu des personnages ne comptent pas, seule la convivialité du moment importe. 

Intervenir de façon hors role play (HRP) dans un event roleplay (RP) est tout aussi irrespectueux que condamner le sens roleplay (RP) d'un event hors role play (HRP). 

Qu'est-ce qu'une assemblée et quelle est la portée de ses décisions ?
Chaque nation est représentée par des assemblées constituées de joueurs et dirigées par un animateur. Ces assemblées se réunissent régulièrement et peuvent édicter des "lois" sur leur territoire ; ces "lois", sont souvent proposées par les joueurs eux-mêmes et doivent être validées par l'animateur (qui en réfère à l'Animation), ce qui constitue un garde-fou et l'assurance du respect de la Lore. 
Une assemblée est un event RP. Ses "lois" n'ont qu'une portée roleplay.

Que nous apprend la Lore sur les Maraudeurs ?
Lors du premier Essaim (bien avant vos personnages), une grande partie des homins, aidée des Puissances, a pu fuir les Anciennes Terres et recréer des nations dans les Nouvelles. 
Les homins restés bloqués sur les Anciennes Terres ont survécu difficilement au milieu des kitins. Un homin, Melkiar, les a uni sous le nom de Maraudeurs ; pour Melkiar et les siens, les homins des Nouvelles Terres et les Puissances les ont abandonnés aux kitins. C'est pourquoi ils sont avides de revanche et de vengeance.
Les Maraudeurs des Anciennes Terres ont recruté sur les Nouvelles Terres des homins qui avaient de la colère à exprimer, les ont endoctrinés pour servir leurs plans. Parmi ces nouveaux Maraudeurs, on peut trouver des idéalistes qui croient vraiment au discours de  Melkiar, mais aussi des opportunistes qui cherchent à profiter de sa  puissance et de sa technologie, ainsi que divers réprouvés des nations  qui évitent ainsi la prison et peuvent donner libre cours à leurs pulsions guerrières. ( http://atys.ryzom.com/projects/3/wiki/L_maraudeurs_civilisation ) 
( http://app.ryzom.com/app_lore/index.php?page=/projects/pubfr/wiki /L_Maraudeurs_civilisation )

De façon RP, les Maraudeurs sur les nouvelles Terres ne sont pas des gentils, mais au contraire les méchants de l'histoire, des agitateurs, des criminels. Il est possible que parmi ces Maraudeurs, certains doutent, aient un autre point de vue, mais les Maraudeurs sont vus par les Nations comme des gens méchants, des bandits qui sont malvenus et qu'on tente de chasser à coup de piques quand ils sont repérés.

Cela est d'ailleurs appuyé par le gameplay qui demande à tout Maraudeur d'être haï par chaque nation et religion (renommée très négative), puis d'assassiner six homins, avant de passer son rite pour être accepté comme Maraudeur des Nouvelles Terres.

Maraudeurs et marché tryker
Dans ce contexte roleplay, qu'une nation (ici la nation tryker) crée des lois déclarant que les Maraudeurs sont malvenus sur ses terres, et que s'ils viennent au marché (event organisé de façon RP), ils seront chassés, est légitime, logique et cohérent. 
Dans ce contexte roleplay également, le fait que les Maraudeurs se désintéressent ou violent les lois d'une nation qu'ils ne reconnaissent pas est également légitime, logique et cohérent.
Par conséquent, si des Maraudeurs viennent sur le marché de Fairhaven malgré l'interdiction, il est normal que les gardes essaient de les chasser, voire tentent de les tuer, et que les marchands refusent de leur vendre quoi  que ce soit (à moins d'échanger leur vie contre les marchandises ... ).

Concrètement, rien dans le gameplay n'interdira aux joueurs de Maraudeurs de venir au marché ; il sera cependant demandé aux joueurs de respecter le côté roleplay de l'event, et de ne pas le perturber en harcelant via le PVP (il est par contre possible d'échanger quelques mots, de se battre un peu, puis de repartir).

Et le droit de jouer comme on veut et où on veut ?
Ici encore, tout est une question de respect. La liberté des uns s'arrête où commence celle des autres. Les joueurs de Maraudeurs ont le droit de participer à un marché. Que ce soit pour des raisons gameplay ou roleplay. Mais autant voir les Maraudeurs faire quelques courts raids RP sur le marché en représailles serait logique, autant voir la bataille dériver sur le plan HRP et devenir une bataille verbale entre joueurs, allant jusqu'à exclure des joueurs d'un futur event HRP, ne l'est pas. Cela ne serait que le début d'une escalade sans fin et nuisible à tous.
Pourquoi ne pas, par exemple, profiter du Marché Noir qui, lui, se veut HRP et donc ouvert à tous ? Ou préparer un event RP "Mister Maraudeur", excluant tout participant non maraudeur ?

Que faire si le conflit ne s'apaise pas ?
Si malgré cela, les choses continuent de déraper, l'Équipe de Support est là pour conseiller et veiller au bon respect des règles de courtoisies. Le cas échéant, elle peut être amenée à prendre des sanctions allant de l'avertissement au ban définitif, selon le dossier du joueur.


Nous espérons que ces précisions pourront vous aider.

Et n'oubliez pas que Ryzom est un jeu ! [/HRP]

Grytt :)