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What I'm trying is to make a distinction between an open club and a closed-door club. Current fame mechanics allow even level 1 alts to have fame 100 with a certain nation. Literally, *anyone* can have highest fame with a nation in a few days' work. This is an open club.

No. Unspecific deeds are awarded with faction points - such as running missions for NPCs, or feeding the transporters. Specific things make you part of a closed club - heroic fighting during an event, etc.

I agree that the rewards for high fame should be more diverse, hence my suggestion of specific armor. I'm ok with the idea of racial weapons too. It's just the proposal to copy the looks of rulers and other people that are in a form leaders, that I'm partially opposed to - it's both lazy and uncreative.

It's bad enough that people get to wield pompous titles like "Defender of the Empire", when all they did was feed the transporters. Maybe it's just me, but if I get a weapon similar to Mabreka's, it better be because I worked my ass off and put in a lot of directed effort; running missions doesn't really fit, imho.

I agree that extension to new skins would be great. It's ok to start using skins existing but not yet in use by the actual game. I would hate to see any homin on Atys but the rulers wear the rulers' weaponry - nor armoury for that matter. A game should have unique things. Things we homins can only dream about. It's this and all the arguments brought fourth so far by various people.

I see a consensus here on the original and various side-proposals as long as Virg drops the notion that we must make the rulers' weapons available to other homins.

The reason for my choice of design wasn't because I was lazy or uncreative. The reason is that they are the skins that I see that we currently don't have access to. I have no idea what skins the devs have or haven't made. I picked the skins because they have already been made which means making them available to us would be a hell of a lot easier than making up new designs. I know ryzom doesn't currently have any graphics designers employed (or at least didn't a few months back) so I chose items they have already made because I look at my ideas realistically. I could make up 1000s of good ideas that would never see the light of day (or take 6 years to do).

If there are other skins just as readily available then I'm fine with that. I just want whatever has the best chance of getting done quickly. If new skins would be faster/same speed to implement and would make others happier then sure go for it! I'd be up for the "uber" racial armour designs but aren't they also the leaders ensigns?

I was hoping that these new items wouldn't come cheaply. I'm talking about a lot of effort to get the reward just like the PvP items. My pei LA is down to 40hp now and i still don't have enough points for the q250 skirt :P (okay i did buy a lot of cheap stuff and my points weren't working for a lot of the time but you get the idea). I do see missions as carrying out specific tasks for the good of the nation and that is why I tied in the idea of missions giving civ points not just hand-ins.