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+1 Zilon; -1 Firstdo; -1 Virg; +1 Icus; +1 Eruv.

Another person who resents change. "Don't change a winning formula" is a great quote to bring up. Ryzom isn't winning much. Change is needed.

I tend to somewhat agree to both Virg and Icus. To Icus insofar as the very weapon the leaders wear should be and remain unique as the leaders are. To Virg insofar as a strong incentive to assume citizenship and excel in it, even as a lower level player or mere roleplayer, would be no bad idea. Still, citizenship is not so highly respected by many. The skin of the weapon might be similar to that of the leaders, only smaller e.g. not to spoil their significance.

The -1 for Virg is not right; in fact; my problem lays with the nation leader's weapons losing their significatnce.

There are others skins that exist, that are not "present" in the game. As Icus said, you can see them in the client. But hey... don't tell me those guys got special weapons for their fame. Don't tell me you're as famous as a king, emperor or whatever, and that you deserve to be awarded the same weapon... I'm sure you can name the queen of England, but I doubt you can put on a name on England's most decorated soldier. And even if Excalibur has never existed, looking back through history, the weapons worn by kings usually were emblematic of their functions.

You can argue it's a fantasy game and could be different; I tell you it should be rooted in a bit of logic. Just pic up a different skin and I'll agree with the essence of your comment.

I guess I haven't seen Mabreka's fame tab. I assumed he had 100 fame max just like everyone else. Also in terms of IG fame not many people roleplay or can name the main leaders so I would say some, if not quite a lot of players are more famous than the leaders.

These weapons by the leaders aren't some weapons that have been handed down generation to generation and as proof of this emporer dexton actually had a sword not a burning axe. Besides even if people were able to get the same weapons the leaders still have their unique armour and decorations.

I would be happy with another skin I guess. There are just so many unobtainable skins within the game that the playerbase can't obain its frustrating.

This is why the specific skin for the sharükos is the Imperial Sword, not the Imperial Axe :) which, of course, has been given to Lykos after Dexton's death, because he is the sharükos now.

+1 Virg, then;)

I'd like to see people having those other weapon skins that from the tribes.

Where can all these game skins be viewed again? thanks

It's not only Mabreka's fame, it's his position in a hierarchy. This is even more poignant in a supposedly primitive society as those on Atys are: the rulers are distanced from the population. This is how humans have always worked, and homins on Atys have some very interesting semblance to humans, neh?

You as a simple citizen, no matter how esteemed/ardent/illuminated etc you are, you can't have the same ensigns as the rulers. Unless you are granted such privilege specifically by someone higher up in the hierarchy, for specific deeds done. The difference in concept is that anyone can get high fame, if they put in enough work; but recognition and appointment have to be specific to your person.

I think a set of armor with good boosts and maybe the nation symbol embroided on each piece would be sufficient reward.

I would rather not see Mabreka's mace in the hands of anybody who is not Mabreka. Same for the other civ leader weapons. I might have a different opinion about tribal weapon skins but I am unfamiliar with those.

Specific deeds done for the nation are rewarded with fame and civilisation points. Therefore when you have enough of these you could be granted the privilege of purchusing the same ensings as the rulers. Maybe a ceremony could be put in place where the leaders/officials reward weapons instead of the faction merchant.

Everyone seems to get really hung up on "stealing" the leaders weapons that they seem to be missing the concept of the idea- which is more rewards and ways of showing off your acomplishments for your nation.

Why try and develop tribal weapons when there is still plenty of content than can (and needs imo) to be added to the current organisations and civs. This sort of thinking is what leads to diversity that severly lacks content.

Mj I agree with adding armour too, but im taking baby steps :P

What I'm trying is to make a distinction between an open club and a closed-door club. Current fame mechanics allow even level 1 alts to have fame 100 with a certain nation. Literally, *anyone* can have highest fame with a nation in a few days' work. This is an open club.

No. Unspecific deeds are awarded with faction points - such as running missions for NPCs, or feeding the transporters. Specific things make you part of a closed club - heroic fighting during an event, etc.

I agree that the rewards for high fame should be more diverse, hence my suggestion of specific armor. I'm ok with the idea of racial weapons too. It's just the proposal to copy the looks of rulers and other people that are in a form leaders, that I'm partially opposed to - it's both lazy and uncreative.

It's bad enough that people get to wield pompous titles like "Defender of the Empire", when all they did was feed the transporters. Maybe it's just me, but if I get a weapon similar to Mabreka's, it better be because I worked my ass off and put in a lot of directed effort; running missions doesn't really fit, imho.

I agree that extension to new skins would be great. It's ok to start using skins existing but not yet in use by the actual game. I would hate to see any homin on Atys but the rulers wear the rulers' weaponry - nor armoury for that matter. A game should have unique things. Things we homins can only dream about. It's this and all the arguments brought fourth so far by various people.

I see a consensus here on the original and various side-proposals as long as Virg drops the notion that we must make the rulers' weapons available to other homins.

The reason for my choice of design wasn't because I was lazy or uncreative. The reason is that they are the skins that I see that we currently don't have access to. I have no idea what skins the devs have or haven't made. I picked the skins because they have already been made which means making them available to us would be a hell of a lot easier than making up new designs. I know ryzom doesn't currently have any graphics designers employed (or at least didn't a few months back) so I chose items they have already made because I look at my ideas realistically. I could make up 1000s of good ideas that would never see the light of day (or take 6 years to do).

If there are other skins just as readily available then I'm fine with that. I just want whatever has the best chance of getting done quickly. If new skins would be faster/same speed to implement and would make others happier then sure go for it! I'd be up for the "uber" racial armour designs but aren't they also the leaders ensigns?

I was hoping that these new items wouldn't come cheaply. I'm talking about a lot of effort to get the reward just like the PvP items. My pei LA is down to 40hp now and i still don't have enough points for the q250 skirt :P (okay i did buy a lot of cheap stuff and my points weren't working for a lot of the time but you get the idea). I do see missions as carrying out specific tasks for the good of the nation and that is why I tied in the idea of missions giving civ points not just hand-ins.