No, Veg, I have not lost the point.
I was pointing out that in the proposal above, a 300m radius is a 600m diameter circle. A homin in that circle, digging, would prevent respawn of the boss. Since a 600m circle is about 1/4 the size of Abyss and 1/6 the size of Underspring, the probability of a digger is high. Hence respawn probability is low.
Consider also that a guild willing to gamble could deliberately station a toon near the spawn site to block others from getting the mats. Remove the toon at a known time and gamble on the spawn. Camping by another name.
Campers *are* "players wanting to get mats for plans." The argument isn't about desire, it's about tactics.
Heck, I'd love to have some of those mats, but I don't belong to a big guild, and the guild I belong to doesn't do PvP (and I'm in it for that reason). We rarely get sup harvested mats, much less boss.
My chance at super-mats in quantity is low. I admit that I do get invited on Boss Hunts and I get my fair share when they find Bosses; and I thank those who invite me. My chance at super mats is low, not zero. Strangely, when I am on those hunts, we often find bosses. I rarely take part in the ones in Prime Roots due to not having any tps there and not wanting to slow down the party, but I have watched my friends take down Yelkoo, Kipekoo and the like (and of course I don't get a piece of what I don't work for - duh).
This thread is about greed. Greed for certain types of materials. Both sides of the argument are displaying it. My personal opinion is that the effectiveness of campers is over-rated (see above paragraph). Your mileage may vary. However, putting up aggro circles, putting up exclusion zones, and things like that will only have negative effects for others. It won't stop camping, because greed is more powerful than game mechanics.
The only thing that will stop camping is removal of anything worth camping for, and I don't want to see that.
credo -- MacOd Bittty.
I was pointing out that in the proposal above, a 300m radius is a 600m diameter circle. A homin in that circle, digging, would prevent respawn of the boss. Since a 600m circle is about 1/4 the size of Abyss and 1/6 the size of Underspring, the probability of a digger is high. Hence respawn probability is low.
Consider also that a guild willing to gamble could deliberately station a toon near the spawn site to block others from getting the mats. Remove the toon at a known time and gamble on the spawn. Camping by another name.
Campers *are* "players wanting to get mats for plans." The argument isn't about desire, it's about tactics.
Heck, I'd love to have some of those mats, but I don't belong to a big guild, and the guild I belong to doesn't do PvP (and I'm in it for that reason). We rarely get sup harvested mats, much less boss.
My chance at super-mats in quantity is low. I admit that I do get invited on Boss Hunts and I get my fair share when they find Bosses; and I thank those who invite me. My chance at super mats is low, not zero. Strangely, when I am on those hunts, we often find bosses. I rarely take part in the ones in Prime Roots due to not having any tps there and not wanting to slow down the party, but I have watched my friends take down Yelkoo, Kipekoo and the like (and of course I don't get a piece of what I don't work for - duh).
This thread is about greed. Greed for certain types of materials. Both sides of the argument are displaying it. My personal opinion is that the effectiveness of campers is over-rated (see above paragraph). Your mileage may vary. However, putting up aggro circles, putting up exclusion zones, and things like that will only have negative effects for others. It won't stop camping, because greed is more powerful than game mechanics.
The only thing that will stop camping is removal of anything worth camping for, and I don't want to see that.
credo -- MacOd Bittty.
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Phaedreas Tears - 15 years old and first(*) of true neutral guilds in Atys.
(*) This statement is contested, but we are certainly the longest lasting.
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