IDÉES POUR RYZOM

Let me quote the official event post ...

It is doubtful Lykos would call anyone but the Patriots, and indeed there was no public cry for help from the empire (unless I missed the Events channel?). Instead, I am sure Lerya called patriots, in her akenak role.

It is a sign of goodwill that other people came to help, and somewhat justifiable because of the common goal of defending against the kitins. Still, you can't deny a matis citizen and Jena worshipper helping the Fyros nation is someone to be wary of as an empire subject (rolewise). Barkers or no Barkers, business of the desert stays in the desert. Ask Icus, would he go help any tribe in the forest?

Let us pretend for a moment that some traitors wanted to side with the marauders. Having been accepted in the attacker league at first , they would know who the leaders are, who the weak persons, and who to attack for maximum effect. A coordinated /leaguequit and killing of healers would have stopped the Fyros efforts short in no time.

Anyway, discussing the event should happen in another section of the forum ..

Mjollren, if you feel it off topic, we may it discuss elsewhere.

But did the Fyros general not say

The army was formed at Cerakos gate, if I am informed correctly. If only patriots would have been admitted, it would have been the place to exclude undesired participants, kindly thanking for their offer, and sending them away. Marching to the battlefield and splitting up the force into leagues or teams by religion, race, or nation, does not make any sense.

got a point there maybe a csr can split this up to events (ooc) but pls do leave a link in the topic to that forum otherwise I see this derailing again and ppl won't know what happend at the first event they organized this way

Suboxide: I fail to see things derailing, here. It is still all related to the event, and no hostile attitude of any participant. The attitude of the eclaireurs is understandable, but also there is valid reason to doubt its efficiency and roleplay-wise consistency.

When discussing
- whether tagged PvP events should take place (seems most agree)
- how they be set up, single nation, race, religion, or else
- whether neutral non-tagged observers/participants are accepted/tolerated
- how the opposing parties should be formed (single leagues or not)
- how some balance of the battling parties can be guaranteed (or not)

these are all topics covered by the subject, and contributions having been made. I would welcome further views about all that, not taking offense by anybody or starting fights.

true but the RP consequences (or however that word is written) should be in event (ooc) thats what makes this forum bussiness such a minefield.

off topic => ps. I'm planning on testing a pvp type capture the flag kind of event this weekend and I'm still looking for some ppl or guilds that want to help testing if intrested send me an ingame mail with times you have 6+ ppl online in guild or friends up for it

Now I agree the discussion is derailing into personal insults, lamentably. I won't comment directly to avoid escalation.

In fact, the way to set up an event is up to the event team. One may criticize its decisions and propose better ways, in oneself's opinion. Noteably that is possible without insulting other players or participants in discussion. It is undoutbtedly more productive, then. The event was felt a success and fun by most contributors so far. If 3/4 of them would have been sent away at the beginning, would that be the case, as well?

Denying others their conviction is also not a productive contribution, and not even RP. Convictions may differ, especially in RP, and all may have their value and dignity. Wholesale insults, btw, are a blatant offense of honor, truth, justice, and discipline, principles of my homeland I am holding dear.

I did not take part in the march to HS, as explained, for a couple of reasons, yet one may doubt whether the long way from Pyr to HS was worth while. It may have given the opponent opportunities of skirmishing, opportunities not taken due to the imbalance of strength of both sides. This may not have been fully foreseeable by the event team, like in all events, PvE or PvP.

Would be a good idea pinpointing how to set up successful events in the future. This one, some critical comments notwithstanding, seems to have been one.

If you read the fyros lore you would not make such an ignorant statement:
"To the Kamis we owe, if not our faith, our loyalty."
"Matis: The Matis are our inherent enemy not to be trusted. We do not adhere to the Matis sense of justice which centers around the monarchy and Jena Law. Even in these times of peace we must stand vigil lest they team up against us."
"The Karavan: They are against us digging down for the truth. They are not to be trusted."

If roleplayers will not trust the karavan or matis then they will not league with them. No order was given to league with matis or karavan so by not leaguing, no order was ignored. As for people who are fyros and karavan- I do not see these people as trustworthy regardless of their fyros fame; I have fought against such a person at many OP wars.

Sadly again personal attacks. I have read the Lore, not only the Fyros one, and in more than one language version. Insults like the blame of ignorance are not productive. If the four sniplets cited out of context were binding for every patriot or even every Fyros, the imperial general would have been to blame, calling neutral and possibly even Karavan worshipping patriots equally, and admitting non patriots, even non desert dwellers, to the forces, Trykers among them like Zorai and Matis. How many homins would have been able to take part if only patriots, or even only Kami aligned patriots would have been admitted?

It was a fyros/marauder event, not everyone vs the marauders. I am only arguing from the role-players point of view as I do not share this view. Not productive? This topic has way since past that even when Mermaidia tried to drag it back on topic which you promptly ignored. Threads when you are involved seem to boil down to comments getting edited, topics getting closed and ending up in arguments which really annoys the hell out of me.

Moving back to the topic: I sadly missed the event but I did take part in the event before hand where the marauders stole the mats which I loved. From what I heard about reclaiming the mats it was a huge success and a great way to give people a taste of PvP whilst developing the story line at the same time. +1 For all future events like this, great job and thank you to the higher-powers that be.

People are entitiled to their roleplaying views. Who are you to judge someone for following the lore?

EDIT: If you have issues with roleplaying people you should take it up in the roleplay forums.