Ambassades

Report on the Ranger meeting of 12 November, 2013

Wilk Potskin and 15 other people were present in Almati Wood Ranger camp at the appointed time. By the end of the meeting we had the usual 25-30 folk.

((After a brief delay, the meeting started with a report/complaint by Rangini, both OOC.
First - The Matis hill is not responding properly and sometimes the ranger in camp is bugged as well. He reported that basically he has reached the end of his patience with that – bug tickets aren't fun to write, and the other mounds all work.
Second – Why do other rangers have a title and he can't get it? This was in reference to the title Ranger Compaignon borne by Zorroargh and Deprayken.
Vradden explained that there had been problems with reboots and old scripts being used instead of the updated ones. He suggested that Rangini email him directly if there were further problems.
The Ranger Companion title that Zorroargh and Deprayken have is for ambassadorial purposes only as had been set up at the last meeting. It is an honorary title for a specific purpose.
The Ranger rite is not ready; when it is ready it will be announced in the public forums.))

Wilk then asked three questions of the assembled homins:
Question 1: Have you killed white kitins since the last meeting? A number of people indicated that they had. There were some absent folk whom we know have done so as well.
Question 2: Who reported kitin spots to help complete Bittty's maps? No one present had done so since the last meeting. Krill and Daomei reported they had seen no new spots. Bittty reported a few people have told him of spots and that he has found some new spots in the Desert.
Question 3: Who has helped with building Camps? A larger number of people raised their hands. Bittty pointed to Zhoi as a builder, but she said that she is "not a ranger" even though she is present. Irfidel and Daomei pointed out it's not just a Ranger thing. Wilk supports that interpretation.

Bittty asked that people check the maps to be sure that the kitins they are killing are not new pods. He thinks that they are getting more numerous and spreading.

Wilk asks if the nations are aware of the apparent spread of the white kitins. It might be a good thing for the Ranger ambassadorial people to bring up to the leaders at the Assemblies.

Chonchon wondered that we should call on the nations and asked if there was not an army of Rangers to fight them? He discounted the scientific investigation of the termites, insisting that force is needed.

Seturnulon rose to speak. He feels that species of kitins are changing. From kinchers to kidinak and kirosta. Krill notes that she has seen mostly Kiban. Other folk have observed a mixture. Daomei said it seems to her that the pods stay the same in composition over time in KoD forest.

Wilk asked for addition of species code to the maps. Bittty has agreed to add codes provided he gets good data. Seturnulon said, and Wilk agreed, that we should involve others as well.

Termites reports: All save Sharleen and Rangini. (bugged)
Geyos: Nothing new. Biggest threat to the mound is Kiwalie, collecting for her cookies. Kiwalie responded by producing a bag of cookies.

Zorroargh: Nothing in particular to report. in brief : termite food > eggs > termites > cookies. Sometimes curious homins want to wake up the Goaris.

Daomei: Inspects the mound near Pyr, taking measures to maintain stability and avoiding increasing the numbers to the point where Goaris get very excited. Only weak ones appear that she can punch and kick to death.

Sharleen: asked if it wasn't time to start using them against the kitins? Time passes and the kitins seem to be getting more numerous.

Wilk: they have only been tested in Lakes and Desert. We want to be completely sure of all lands, hence we need the Forest results.

Zhoi accused Wilk about disruption of the Nobles/Royal relationship in Forest and asked why the Almati Forest couldn't serve as surrogate for Forest? Wilk pointed out different behaviors in the New Lands as opposed to what happened with the test mounds in Almati Woods. He also pointed out that the political problems in the Matis courts are not Rangers' fault. Zhoi pouts. Others growl...

Seternulon suggested setting up a mound in Nexus, since it is Forest and neutral. Wilk noted that the soil of Nexus is different. All agreed that it must be different since we used to be able to harvest superb materials there before the second swarming.

Wimara asked if the area that the mound is in wasn't actually Desert more than forest? Do we really need the data from there? Wilk answered that the soil is more Forest than Desert despite the lack of moisture.
Krill noted that she has seen a termite mound in GoC … she will try to find it again.

Zorroargh proposed the possibility of creating greenhouses in Almati Woods with Forest and Jungle ecosystems in them to test them. Wilk pointed out that was very similar to what they had done with the test mounds, and that the behaviors had been entirely different.
Much mixed discussion and disruption ending with nothing much as discussion calmed down.

Wilk announced there will be a first brief expedition into the Old Lands – an exploratory step before the Great Expedition that was announced earlier http://app.ryzom.com/app_forum/index.php?page=topic/view/18029/1. There was much excitement and chatter at this announcement. Wilk said that it will be a small foray, not a big trip and that he needs a cartographer, fighter. diplomat. scout, and scientist. (Those who wish to volunteer should send Izam Mail to Vradden or email to Vradden@ryzom.com).

Much discussion revolved around the mistaken impression that this was a major expedition, with calls for full representation of the Nations and suggestions that additional offices were needed, such as healer, cook, cookiemaker, barrelcarrier, hairdresser and the like. It seems likely that Wilk will have many more volunteers than he needs and he commented that many of the suggestions would be needed for the great expedition later.

Wilk tried to end the meeting but various people started talking about subjects that (in the opinion of this correspondent) were not relevant to the meeting. Questions of whether or not the Rangers were responsible for the Nobles Assembly of Davae being in turmoil, questions about Almati's lab, whether it had been legal or illegal, whether it had been discovered and whether the Rangers were suppressing information gathered there which some felt was "cultural property" of the Matis. Zhoi Seturnulon felt that even the scouting expedition should have representation for the four nations. (It was not clear if she meant Nations or Races – certainly it seems to this correspondent that a Ranger expedition should be made up of Rangers and Ranger aspirants, not Nationals.)

Finally the babble died down and the meeting adjourned. The next meeting is scheduled for 2 December.

Done by my hand and copied by the New Guild of Scribes (formerly C.J.A.J.S.).
As I have perhaps intruded more in the reporting of this meeting than I have in the past, I welcome comments.
– Mac'Od Bittty, Ranger Aspirant.
A seal is affixed to each copy
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The New Guild of Scribes in Fairhaven
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One small correction:

my humble self merely translated and explained Seternulons (who is now General of Windermeer by the way) opinion about inviting representatives of the 4 nations to this expedition, no matter how "small" it will be.

It was not my suggestion at all. Still as an information Awakend Fey-Lin Liang seems to be interested in this expedition as she has spoken about this expedition needing cartographers at the Assembly of the Circles in Zora (while several Ranger companions were present and listening).

And one more note of great importance for me and those who speak my dialect:

I did not only pout, but later on also repeated my pledge to Wilk Potskin to be considerate of the chamber of nobles and stop experimenting in hidden source. I am using more and more sharp phrased words because as it is now Wilk Potskin is STILL continuing with disrespecting the worries of the chamber of nobles if he doesn't stop the experiments.

As Filira Salazar Caradini has explained the opinion of the chamber of nobles to Wilk Poltskin in person, Wilk has in fact insulted Filira Salazar Caradini by ignoring him, which I explained at the Assembly. But even worse - Wilk Potskin still goes on doing this! Filira Salazar Caradini has voiced his protest internally but was only staved off - because of this he has stopped his political work ever since.

Wilk Potskin is still working on driving Filira Salazar Caradini out of politics, as long as Wilk will go on permitting Ranger-aspriants to experiment in hidden source.

This is why I have talked to Wilk repeatedly about this, starting with a polite hint at the Assembly before this last one. If the last active noble of Davae would be gone, the whole city of Davae would be politically dead - just because of one petty termite-mound in hidden source and the Rangers being impatient to wait until the chamber of nobles can be persuaded to permit these experiments just like the royal court has.

If Filira Salazar Caradini steps back from his position we Zorai would lose a very valuable ally in our search for the botanical solution for the ktitin-tunnels and I would lose a much appreciated, even admired diplomatic colleague ... well, maybe even a friend.

So please understand that I am really desperate here!

(OOC: and let's not forget that with his refusal to be considerate the Event-Team-member who is playing Wilk Potskin is driving at least one player out of RP and maybe even out of the game Ryzom because of one stupid termite-mound; killing off the much appreciated intelligent and engaged RP-contribution of an important member of the German-RP-community.

Just a small word from Wilk Potskin to stop the experiments in hidden source, just a little consideration, would be enough to prevent this from happening. http://app.ryzom.com/app_forum/index.php?page=post/view/122896 )

Ambassador Zhoi,

I'd like to point out that the Royal Court does not need the Chamber of Nobles to make decisions. The Chamber was installed in the first place to represent New Matia, to keep the country running and to supervise the towns as well as advising the Karan. The Karan and the Court have every right to make decisions without consulting the Chamber and pass by their advice, while the Chamber can and will not make important decisions without consulting the Court and receiving its approval. The Chamber cannot exist without the system it was installed in, while the Court can exist without the Chamber and its representatives.

Deles necat,

Respected Filira Salazar Caradini,

You know that this topic has been discussed a lot at the last Assembly of Yrkanis and will be discussed some more amongst the nobles internally - as was said at the same Assembly...

Still I insist that the whole affair would still be much less of a problem if Wilk Potskin would be more considerate and told the Ranger-aspirants to just stop experimenting in the verdant heights until the Matis have cleared up their internal differences. All in all the rangers were the ones causing these troubles in the first place and were opening this gap between court and chamber...

The Rangers have kept up good relations with all nations - until lately. So they could - no, they should, because they are Rangers and have been well-respected by all nations - show respect to the chamber of nobles as well as to the court; and such wait for the permission of the nobles too, not only keep on insisting on what the royal court says out of pride and stubbornness.

How can inconsideration of their allies have become a trait of the virtuous Rangers?

The rulers of the kingdom, where Class structure is an important value, are ignoring the decisions of their otherwise respected nobles (OOC: and why have a player-government if it doesn't have anything to say?!)

And in comparison the Akenak is allowed to do whatever it wants, insulting and provoking representatives of other nations, causing ambassadors to be withdrawn - under the full tolerance of the proud Sharük, whose values are Truth, Honor, Discipline and Justice, but who refuses to answer letters pledging for his justice by official representatives having been insulted by his representatives...

How should we Zorai act in a world where all values seem to be turning upside down?

oren pyr Ambassador Zhoi,
I think we all heard (and read) your concern, there is no point in repeating them a hundred of times. Now that is it said, please stop. I (and i'm probably not the only one) am bored of you complaining all day long ; and you do it about subject that doesn't even concern you ! As far as i know, you are ambassador of the zoraï only ; if the Matis have problems with Wilk and the Rangers, they can handle it themselves.
So, please, (and i'm asking that as a single individual, not in any official name) stop complaining, especially about stuff who aren't your business.

Patriot Geyos,
Master Brewer from Oflovak, Follower of the Great Glouglou.

And what about YOUR whining as you're a nation-loyal Fyros-patriot?
Stuff that isn't my business?

1. the Zorai and the Matis in union have been working on the botanical solution together, and Filira Salazar Caradini has even been the main narrator during most of the talks about this matter

2. if Filira Salazar Caradini is forced to step back from his position under the pressure of the ongoing insult by the Rangers who treat him like insignificant dirt on the ground and the royal court being caught in the middle not knowing how to react, the most valuable ally of the Zorai for finding a botanical solution will be lost - as well as an admirable colleague in politics, and one of the dwindling few politicians speaking my dialect. The whole Atysian political scene would lose an immensely important pillar

3. how the Rangers are treating the chamber of nobles in the worst way; as if the nobles mean absolutely nothing to the Rangers as long as only the royal court will give permission does indeed concern us Zorai too - because it might happen to us, the Circles of the Theocracy just as well.

What if - let's say because of a misunderstanding - a leader of the Ranger will misinterpret the words of one of our Sages as a permission to experiment on termite-mounds in the Witherings? We Circles would be completely ignored then just like the chamber of nobles has been, so we cannot even hope to clear up any misunderstandings that might occur in the future. These perspectives are deeply unsettling!

Even the Taliari of New Trykoth and the Akenak of the Empire might suffer the same fate in the future whenever they will disagree with the Rangers; as long as their officials can be persuaded by leaders of the Ranger. In a case like this also the Taliari and the Akenak will be treated like not even being existent as well, exaclty the same way the chamber of nobles is treated by the Rangers.

If Wilk Potskin continues to assign Ranger-aspirants to do experimentations and goes on to defiantly selfishly repel all of the responsibility of his; this will damage the reputation of the Rangers all over Atys, and it shakes the confidence of all governments that they have had in the Rangers.

4. Wilk Potskins words putting the blame for what the Rangers have caused solely on "the Matis" have definitely broken the mektoub's back.

Wilk Potskin is personally responsible for urging on the experiments in verdant heights and assigning Ranger-aspirants to do experiments even at this very moment - instead of stopping them out of respect for the chamber of nobles.

Wilk Potskin is the liable person in charge who still completely refuses to take consideration of an important part of the Matis-government. The Karan didn't order him to do experiments! The royal court just agreed to the Ranger's plea after a long struggle; the court is not the only part of the government.

The actions and words of disrespect and finger-pointing of Wilk Potskin are not worthy of the noble Rangers who I have known and admired, the organization I even wanted to be a part of myself, who formerly gave their all for peace on all of Atys...

5. conclusion: if the Rangers stopped experimenting in the verdant heights, the good reputation of the Rangers and the trust of the government of the nations in them will be restored. All elected governments on Atys will be relieved - because they can be sure that their words are still respected by the Rangers, even if sometimes their officials might have different opinions.

A termination of the experiments will make the internal disputes within the Kingdom a lot calmer and friendly talk; as long as the imminent danger by the ongoing experiments has stopped and the nobles are assured that they still have a say in this world.

I would suggest to move all the discussion which is widely OOC to Forum Events (OOC) (Arispotle). And would hope that contributors refrain from fruitless polemics. I might then comment on a few topics from this thread.

/OOC: please do NOT move my posts! They are all IC (except for this one right here, post #8) and these discussions are also clearly MEANT IC from beginning to end with not a single OOC-word at all.

Declaring them as OOC because of weird misinterpretations would be extremely unfair and I as a player would think about a movement of my IC-posts as a abuse of power by GMs to stop me from roleplaying an "unwanted" IC-protest at the "order" of Daomei.

Request to moderator: Please move replies from everyone starting with #4 and put them in a new thread in Events (OOC) (Arispotle). I believe that #2 and #3 are proper RP comments on my report.

New thread label should be: Commentary on the Ranger Meeting Report for (12 November 2013)

Sincerely, Bitttymacod

*Comment* Please try to use RP as much as possible since this is a specific RP section of the forums. Splitting this thread will create even more confusion than what is already reigning, so please sort your posts so this topic stays on track :)

CSR Tiximei


Thank you for looking into it, (CSR) Tiximei. -- B

/OOC: this is an insult somehow. What word is not "proper" IC within my posts #4 and following? It hurts me to see your attempts to "do away" OOC with what your characters don't want to be told IC...

Reply to Zhoi (OOC)(edit: originally composed *before* your most recent post):

In my opinion your posts after #2 are not interpretable as notes appended to my report. They are more similar to the proclamations of an orator in the Agora. (Edit: If the moderator wishes, she may put them into a Roleplay thread.)

In response to your posts:

Following the debate between Filiar Salazar and Ranger Wilk Potskin at an earlier gathering (Meeting of 9 Sept 2013), Wilk DID postpone experiments in Verdant Gardens for (an IRL month) more than an Atys Cycle.  During that time no experiments were made on the Plant Option and no other plans were put forth. (I believe that there was a meeting of the Assembly of Nobles in that time period.) In addition, the Karan did not communicate any need to delay past that time.

You, Zhoi, appear to be the only person pushing the Forest termite experiments as a "problem". You are doing so loudly, and in a venue intended primarily to inform the Ranger Aspirants of what has happened.  As such I welcome your post #2 and Salazar's post #3. (OOC)The rest of this thread has devolved into an argument about matters that deserve a separate forum thread.

Finally, it seems to me that there has been NO action on the part of any Rangers or Ranger Aspirants to attempt to sabotage the Plant Option.  There is NO reason why the two cannot be developed in parallel.  There is EVERY reason why both options should be developed RAPIDLY. The kitin threat is growing daily (IRL) as you, yourself have helped me document.

The Rangers have been working in cooperation with the Fyros and the Trykers and with the cooperation of the Karan of the Matis.  Where is the work of the Zorai and Matis who prefer the Plant Option?

-- Bittty

/IC

Dear Mac'Od Bittty, your words are a bit offending.

I am definitely not the only homina who views this inconsideration as a problem! Even though I am the only one to voice it loudly perhaps. And please mind that I started to voice my warnings in a polite way at first to make Wilk Potskin reconsider and stop causing troubles for the chamber of nobles.

Delaying actions for just this short time was not really of any help, because the Ranger-aspirants were then told to start experiments by Wilk Potskin, have been doing so for quite a long time, and are still going on with their experiments assigned by Wilk Potskin.

Just lately I have begun to inform other homins who did not know about anything that has happened because they never took part at Ranger-Assemblies. But I have waited for a really long time before starting this - I have given Wilk Potskin enough time to take up dialogue and to hopefully heed my warning before the problems would worsen!

I am not an enemy of the Rangers, but as they are in fact starting to lose reputation lately I am telling them of ways to make amends and restore their good relations to other nations. Just like General Seternulon has, and was ignored as well by Wilk Potskin. Still now the Ranger Companions who I pity are sent on diplomatic missions while Wilk Potskin is still continuing to damage the Ranger's reputation...

Some indeed think that the Rangers are SABOTAGING the botanical solution - by refusing to talk to our delegations about what the remains of Almati's laboratory that they have found in the kitin-lair... I do not blame them for this though, as you might have realized during the last Ranger-Assembly. (OOC: because we were told OOC via Forum that the event-team-member responsible for the botanical-solution-event is absent.)

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As you can see we have already done a lot about this (OOC: until we were told OOC to wait for said event-team-member to return).

/OOC: moving the argument to another RP-thread would be fine with me, and I'd delete my OOC-posts then as well of course

ooc: That is a pretty unfair question, Bittty, as the event re. the plant option was delayed by the EMs three months ago because of the absence of an EM, but probably also because it was seen by some players as sabotage on the Ranger's event. The players would have continued, if possible. However, with the EM decision to give permit to the Ranger's experiments in Hidden Source, it makes no sense for the Matis to continue on that, as the Court made clear its preferences and how important it believes the Chamber of Nobles to be. To make it short, it killed any political player's involvement in Verdant Heights.

As far as the good terms of the new Ranger Ambassadors and the Matis Nobles are concerned, I took it from the French forums that the Ranger Ambassador has already stepped back from her assignment. That is no hindance for you, of course, as the Rangers have, helped by the EMs (willingly or not), decided to do business with the Royal Court directly, which no doubt you'll also able to do in the future. That saves a lot of time, too, for it does not involve any players.

All of this is *way* OOC, but I think relevant to the IC part.

*Sigh* I don't see it as an unfair question, Salazar. Role play is role-play and can be done with or without support from the Event Team. (See, for example my current posts on the continuing and growing menace of the white kitins.) The posting of the progress today by Zhoi is a welcome addition.

I must say that I didn't, don't, and cannot see how the Plant Option/Matis+Zorai could be a "sabotage" of the Termite/Ranger actions -- if that was the reason, it was a poor one and I would blame the EM who made it, not the one who channels Wilk.

I saw the announcement of the hiatus in the actions but I understood that it was justified as being to allow the reconciliation of contradictory statements about the Goo-contaminated Rangers. I saw nothing about a missing EM. When the Rangers were given the go-ahead to continue, I assumed that had been solved. That was over a month ago.

A problem I see is that if we are to engage a larger player base in roleplay activities that events must move at something a bit faster than the glacial pace that they have in the past. Also it is clear that said larger player base (at least in EN) is not extensively involved in the "meeting-type" roleplay. If a way could be devised to engage the National and Regional Assemblies in a more rapid role than the current schedule of meetings it would be a good idea to implement it in addition to the regular schedule.

I now will communicate OOC via IM rather than in this thread. I may start an OOC thread in addition on certain matters.

***End OOC digression. ***

+100

You hit the nail on the head atleast on aristople the roleplay and meetings we had where fast and flowing at a nice pace. If a meeting lasted over 1h then you got like a really long meeting where half the ppl already would have left and the other half would be complaining.