NPC Item type = Unique - IDEAS FOR RYZOM - Foro de la Comunidad Ryzom

#1 Añadido por Fairyfighter 4 años hace [en]

Another suggestion for all hamsters: make NPC items unique. Which means that you can have only one. So you could have set of NPC but not setS of same NPC...

#2 Añadido por Elke 4 años hace [en]

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Fairyfighter

Another suggestion for all hamsters: make NPC items unique. Which means that you can have only one. So you could have set of NPC but not setS of same NPC...

I have to ask for lack of experience: does NPC armour or weapons stack, unlike the player-made items? Or do you mean other items, not equipment being worn by players?

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#3 Añadido por Fyrosfreddy 4 años hace [en]

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So only 8 sets of NPC HA :)

Aen, Pei, Lixie, Sergio, Creafed white, red, blue and black.

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#4 Añadido por Moniq 4 años hace [en]

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You can also use generic raw materials to get other colors.

#5 Añadido por Fyrosfreddy 4 años hace [en]

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You could .... but I'd have to smoke a lot of Zorai Thinking Moss and a few bottles of Stinga Rum to be in a mindset to waste the crystals on choice mats :().

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#6 Añadido por Moniq 4 años hace [en]

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Fyrosfreddy

You could .... but I'd have to smoke a lot of Zorai Thinking Moss and a few bottles of Stinga Rum to be in a mindset to waste the crystals on choice mats :().

There exist generic raw materials higher than choice class. I have some beige supreme.

However, I just say that white, red, blue and black are not the only option and it must be considered when someone suggest such type of limitation.

#7 Añadido por Sinvaders 4 años hace [en]

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Those supreme generic mats can only be get during OOC event and at the stupid wheel, right?

#8 Añadido por Moniq 4 años hace [en]

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In this case one yes, not sure which event it was, few years ago. However I have heard about homins who got few perfect raw materials as reward for some services... But no it is not common and it is OOC.

#9 Añadido por Sinvaders 4 años hace [en]

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Then, it's definitely not an option. But +1 for making those colors available for higher quality armor, etc (since if you want to craft a good armor there is no way to put bad mats in your recipe just for the color).

#10 Añadido por Moniq 4 años hace [en]

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Sure, I understand. But the option exists and must be considered. For some homins the color might be more important than stats. I have seen homins in a pink set...

#11 Añadido por Naema 4 años hace [en]

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I want dark green, matches the forest! :D

P.S. sorry, this post does not align with the thread, but I want green! :D

#12 Añadido por Fyrosfreddy 4 años hace [en]

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Moniq

There exist generic raw materials higher than choice class. I have some beige supreme.

However, I just say that white, red, blue and black are not the only option and it must be considered when someone suggest such type of limitation.

We have an issue of semantics here. I'm talking real world choices that have significant consequences. There's HUGE difference between theoretical choice and practical or real choice. A real choice is a true choice, one that comes without significant penalty.... a choice whereby a reasonable person might choose either option ... the color thing is a "Cake or Death" choice .

If not familiar with "cake or death" lexicon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZVjKlBCvhg

Are the color choices not a "choices that is not a real choice" ? A choice is not a choice when choosing one option leaves you with a considerable penalty.

Here's how MS sold windows in the early days ... did this give PC OEMs a "real" choice of which DOS (Dr DOS or MS-DOS) they were going to use with Windows on their PCs ?

MS-DOS and Windows - $29.95
Windows Only = $49.95

Of course not.... Any OEM who chose to use MS-DOS had to pay money for DOS + a $20 penalty for Windows placing them at a distinct disadvantage to competitors. Yes, they could stand on principal and say we gonna use DR DOS, but my next choice would be which office to choose where I would file for unemployment benefits. is this really different than ....

"You've been bitten by a poisonous snake, you can take the anti-venon shot or you can die... your choice."

Why those colors options are not a "real choices". For it to be a real choice ...

a) you have to be able to get ya hands on 216 of those generic supreme mats to make a set of that HA. I have had 2 and lost them in merge. If no one has ever collected 216 of these supreme mats, the no it is by no stretch of the imagination a real choice.

b) You are also have to be capable of getting stats with those mats that are at least reasonably close to what is available in the originally listed colors .... some of the existing HA color are very rare because having some colors represents too much of a performance penalty. "Well you can have beige, but ... "stats are no where near as good as the customary colors."

c) If a player was able to obtain a crystal every time you killed a Marauder NPC, sure, no worries, by all means have a closet of many colored sets. But as many players are only in a position to have a set crafted after a year or more of effort, it's not a"real" or "practical" choice. If it was, where are they ? Soto my view, I don't see myself make a choice to make may armor that I worked 2 years to get have the same protection / parry stats as stuff could make w/o a crystal.

But I'm a man so I don't care whether I look fashionable .... not if it costs that muuch.

BTW, I made several sets of armor with "Choice" Generic mats and wound up with a set of "Fine" Armor .... 50% stats across the board. So no, unless I'm "out of mind" I'm not going to invest a marauder crystal to get those kinds of stats.

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#13 Añadido por Moniq 4 años hace [en]

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Fyrosfreddy

Moniq
There exist generic raw materials higher than choice class. I have some beige supreme.

However, I just say that white, red, blue and black are not the only option and it must be considered when someone suggest such type of limitation.

We have an issue of semantics here. I'm talking real world choices that have significant consequences. There's HUGE difference between theoretical choice and practical or real choice. A real choice is a true choice, one that comes without significant penalty.... a choice whereby a reasonable person might choose either option ... the color thing is a "Cake or Death" choice .

If not familiar with "cake or death" lexicon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZVjKlBCvhg

Are the color choices not a "choices that is not a real choice" ? A choice is not a choice when choosing one option leaves you with a considerable penalty.

Here's how MS sold windows in the early days ... did this give PC OEMs a "real" choice of which DOS (Dr DOS or MS-DOS) they were going to use with Windows on their PCs ?

MS-DOS and Windows - $29.95
Windows Only = $49.95

Of course not.... Any OEM who chose to use MS-DOS had to pay money for DOS + a $20 penalty for Windows placing them at a distinct disadvantage to competitors. Yes, they could stand on principal and say we gonna use DR DOS, but my next choice would be which office to choose where I would file for unemployment benefits. is this really different than ....

"You've been bitten by a poisonous snake, you can take the anti-venon shot or you can die... your choice."

Why those colors options are not a "real choices". For it to be a real choice ...

a) you have to be able to get ya hands on 216 of those generic supreme mats to make a set of that HA. I have had 2 and lost them in merge. If no one has ever collected 216 of these supreme mats, the no it is by no stretch of the imagination a real choice.

b) You are also have to be capable of getting stats with those mats that are at least reasonably close to what is available in the originally listed colors .... some of the existing HA color are very rare because having some colors represents too much of a performance penalty. "Well you can have beige, but ... "stats are no where near as good as the customary colors."

c) If a player was able to obtain a crystal every time you killed a Marauder NPC, sure, no worries, by all means have a closet of many colored sets. But as many players are only in a position to have a set crafted after a year or more of effort, it's not a"real" or "practical" choice. If it was, where are they ? Soto my view, I don't see myself make a choice to make may armor that I worked 2 years to get have the same protection / parry stats as stuff could make w/o a crystal.

But I'm a man so I don't care whether I look fashionable .... not if it costs that muuch.

BTW, I made several sets of armor with "Choice" Generic mats and wound up with a set of "Fine" Armor .... 50% stats across the board. So no, unless I'm "out of mind" I'm not going to invest a marauder crystal to get those kinds of stats.

TLDR; I just say there is more colors possible than white, red, blue and black and that this must be considered when someone suggest to limit amount of NPC sets you can have. Nothing else.

#14 Añadido por Fyrosfreddy 4 años hace [en]

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That's why it's a matter of "semantics" ... are we talking "can" or are we taking "can" ? We're not at odds here as we are talking about 2 different things.

In the example you gave, while game mechanics would allow it to occur, the game has not, to date, provided the opportunity to do so in the required quantity of materials.

Here's a good example

When a child asks .... "That sign says "Speed Limit 75 miles per hour", can we drive faster than that ?" Do you say:

a) "Yes, we can cause this car has a top speed if 165 mph."

or

b) "No you can't cause it's against the law."

Both are literally correct, ... all I am saying is only 1 of those contains "practical" advice as to what is a sound and practical choice.

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#15 Añadido por Moniq 4 años hace [en]

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Fyrosfreddy

That's why it's a matter of "semantics" ... are we talking "can" or are we taking "can" ? We're not at odds here as we are talking about 2 different things.

In the example you gave, while game mechanics would allow it to occur, the game has not, to date, provided the opportunity to do so in the required quantity of materials.

Here's a good example

When a child asks .... "That sign says "Speed Limit 75 miles per hour", can we drive faster than that ?" Do you say:

a) "Yes, we can cause this car has a top speed if 165 mph."

or

b) "No you can't cause it's against the law."

Both are literally correct, ... all I am saying is only 1 of those contains "practical" advice as to what is a sound and practical choice.

No idea what is your problem.