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#86 Añadido por Lacuna 9 años hace  

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Virg

Lacuna daggers are the bestestest weapon around :P 1h sword+dagger is also an awesome combo :3

So you would use a generic dagger over an op one? But a generic sword and especially a generic spear could be great for making pve weapons.

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#87 Añadido por Lacuna 9 años hace  

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Daomei

Lacuna's point, btw., is that of a crafter. The great utility of a generic weapon is the possibility to combine materials of all ecos, much alike OP mat weapons. And they need less mats than a comparable hq weapon of the same sort. This is an advantage (less mat) on the one, but a disadvantage (less combinations) on the other hand. A generic spear is clearly more interesting to craft than a generic dagger. For a lefthand dagger, not much is needed to reach best stats as speed is not an issue.

Yup. Yup. Yup. Poncha and dolak in same recipe = yum :P

Generic are great for boosting too, even if they are as ugly as a Fyros male.

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#88 Añadido por Virg 9 años hace  

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@Riku
Yes the greatest teleport system- that crashes everytime webbig does meaning we can't teleport around.. wohoo

@Placio
We have chosen to have less yes. The problem is people complaining when we want a little bit more. The arguement of 'you chose to have less therefore you should forever have less' is just ridiculous. We knew marauders currently have less but we have been told of the future plans for marauders and we do, to some extent, expect these plans to come through sometime in the future.

You both lack understanding of how content is created. First of all we have someone specially working on creating content for marauders. The question isn't whether he should or not- the question is what areas are best for his time to be devoted. Secondly we have volunteers which save dev time ^^

I hardly think a camp welcomer who accepts -10 fame for gen plans is a massive inconvience to others considering any rite marauders want to do(even nuetral ones @30) we have a massive fame grind ahead of us.

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#89 Añadido por Lacuna 9 años hace  

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Virg

I hardly think a camp welcomer who accepts -10 fame for gen plans is a massive inconvience to others considering any rite marauders want to do(even nuetral ones @30) we have a massive fame grind ahead of us.

It still isn't fair, though, Virg.  I think Daomei made a fair point.  And then there could a cut off point after the gen plan is given that requires the homine to come back with her fame low enough to continue with the missions.

See what I did there? it is a called compromise :P

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#90 Añadido por Virg 9 años hace  

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I think 0 in all fames is a compromise. I also really think marauders are completely unique in their fames so you can't compare all camp welcomers. A marauder camp welcomer accepting 67 fame is just wrong, no matter how you try to spin it.

Camp welcomers are made to give a feel of the faction/organisation for new players. New players don't have 67 fame. 0 fame is more than fair.

EDIT: Comprimise is letting neutrals do it in the first place. Players who have 67 fame with governments that we hate etc. Do you really think a marauder would willingly teach them to craft a weapon that will most likely be used against them??

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#91 Añadido por Daomei 9 años hace  

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It is a really hard inconvenience to force dedicated crafters who are roleplayers as well to lower all their stats to -10. It is not about the hardship to bring it back to, say, e.g. all +50 or some higher, though this is indeed more work than bringing all stats to -100. In fact, I have probably done more fame grind than most of the marauder players, by getting the "I am a Legend" achievement (max tribe fames) so this is not the point.

The point rather is that for any dedicated kamist, karavan, national, ranger, it is disruptive for their roleplay, and thus prohibitive. And it would be introduced after the fact of having decided to such a way of playing. There is nothing a player cannot get before becoming marauder (all the rites may be done before), and the constraints are well known and intensely discussed. So introducing a crafting plan others cannot get would be plain unfair.

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#92 Añadido por Virg 9 años hace  

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Daomei we face exactly the same issue when we want to do any rite. You are looking at this completely one sided.

If we don't want to raise our fames guess what? We don't get any rites.
If you don't want to lower your fames guess what? You don't get 1 or 2 generic plans.

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#93 Añadido por Daomei 9 años hace  

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You knew about the rites before becoming a marauder. You would have been able to do them. Yet no marauder crafter is denied any plan, so why should others be? No marauder is denied access to any welcomer within the 67 fame constraint. Why should others be?

It is what I said, you are asking for privileges. Even more, I consider that attitude petty and mean. There is no advantage for marauders in denying such a plan to other crafters. It is just harassment of the other players.

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#94 Añadido por Virg 9 años hace  

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You honestly think any marauder would teach a homin who has 67 fame in all he hates a craft plan? and you call youself a roleplayer? lel

Daomei marauders are entirely different to any other civilisation. To assume they are the same (which is what your point is based upon) is just idiocy. Here lets take a look at Marauders Vs Normal Civs:
1) Our guards are completely opposite to normal civ guards. Matis guards won't attack Fyros, Zorai, Tryker, Kami blah blah etc etc. Our guards will attack anyone not marauder.
2) Our merchants follow the same trait
3) Our skill trainers follow the same trait.
4) Every single other marauder alive except our sage who inducts marauders.. guess what? they follow the same trait.

So why should our camp welcomer be any different? Well I am saying for the purpose of new players in the game who want to know more.. I am more than willing to compromise and allow neutrals of 0 fame. But to expect you rocking up to our camp with +50 in all fames and be taught something? Sheer lunacy.

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#95 Añadido por Cramer 9 años hace  

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+1

#96 Añadido por Bones 9 años hace  

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For me I agree that Ranger needs much work. I think we should start another thread to adress that as well so the short comings of other faction does not interfere with QOL issure of Marauder, which is what this thread is about.
Now, I can agree that 0 fame is fine to do any gen plans, either way -10 or 0 is not much work to get back to +50. When I went ranger I was +100 Kami +100 Zorai and I managed to get to +50 in all under two full days working fame.
What would like to see is for all of us to remaine polite and attempt a compromise
I would think views here would be seen as OOC to address game problems, not how we see Marauders deserving support.
I don't see it hurting any other faction if QOL issues are addressed. I think the camp has been around long enough that we could realistically have put in place our own system by now but yes, this must be brought in with some type of Lore/Event. Thank you all for thie discussion, I feel if we can make a fair compromise, we can all benefit and have better time.

#97 Añadido por Bones 9 años hace  

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+1 if we can find a fair compromise because improvements here lead to improvements everywhere.

#98 Añadido por Placio 9 años hace  

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This thread was not started to discuss Marauder quality of life, it was started because I stated that investing more time in the marauder palyable faction will not add anything to the game/community as a whole, and even if marauders get everything on their wishlist that faction will still suffer from the innate isolation which it creates. Comparing and contrasting it to other factions does seem to be a legitimate way to judge its value or future use.

#99 Añadido por Bones 9 años hace  

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So investing more time in the marauder faction is not addressing QOL? That's what fixing this does and hopefully brings back some other players that left. I'm not trying to attack any faction, I just want to see people come back. They didn't leave because fame is too hard. They got tired of doing things with alts. Tired of things that were said would happen that did not. I know they are working hard on it and I appreciate the work the DEVS are doing. I honestly think there is still value in the Marauder faction, we are still gaining new players same as everyone else.
I admit that I would not leave if the faction disapeared but I would be highly disappointed but I am only 1 out of many.

#100 Añadido por Virg 9 años hace  

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No it was started to discuss the marauder organisation and all it encompasses.. you did read why riku started this right?

I completely disagree with you on the fact if my wish list was completed we would suffer from isolation. Attacking a city is a great way to RP and PVP with others and brings people together- an experience shared by marauders and other players. All the previous city attacks I have run I have had a great time with friends on both sides of the fighting- an occupation encompassing this would be a fantastic addition to the marauder faction and reduce its isolation.

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