IDEAS FOR RYZOM

Other aspects of my post that you criticized, such as my expectation of "ganking", etc. have been backed up by other players with more experience across multiple games than I have. I just know how fighting works (I do consensual full-contact PvP (with mock weapons) in what passes for another part of my "real" life) and what I experienced in the years when I did participate in Outpost battles.

In PvP, if you have more than a few levels in (whatever battle skill) above another player then the mechanics of the game say that you are going to win, given equal armor and weapons and assuming you don't handicap yourself in some way. The same is true in real life. Sure, anomalies can happen and the weaker fighter win, but it's not the way to bet.
How would that keep me out of the game? I would not be able to harvest, train, craft, trek, or gawk at the landscape. That is locking me out of the game as I am playing it whether I can literally log in or not, and your proposal was for at least two days and possibly a week or a month. That is the proposal I initially reacted to, and I feel that I did so in a thoughtful, though mostly negative fashion.

Further, I did make a positive suggestion as an alternative, which you then twisted by adding the thought that the game devs should somehow incentivize PvP. I happen to agree that the current possibilities for purchase with PvP points are limited. So are those available for purchase via National Fame points or Faction Points. In fact the limits are very similar. There was a whole set of threads on this subject some small time ago. However, my suggestion was meant to test the idea that PvP was *fun*. If an activity is *fun* people will do it without further incentive than having *fun*.(*) If the devs can be shown that a large number of people are having *fun*, then it might justify the investment in energy in crafting rewards and incentives.
(*)That statement is based on my observations of my acquaintanceship group and other areas in real life.)

You asked how I knew what new players like. I deal with them on a regular basis, lending a helping hand. The ones I deal with want to learn how to play the game. This is a natural selection process, since no one who wants to train PvP is going to ask me to help them. However, the people whom I have helped have universally said that the reason they are looking at this game is that it is not a PvP fest. I am certain that there are those who want to do PvP -- I see it in the questions in Universe Chat. However, I am not convinced that they are a majority or even a substantial minority of those who stay past a few weeks.

One more question: Given that we do *not* have access to the owners records of number of subscribers and players, on what do you base your assertion that "homins are leaving in droves"? I find that my active contact list has remained pretty constant over the last year. This is a serious question -- people are claiming substantial losses, but I saw well over 80 toons at the battle of the Mara camp in HS earlier today, and only a few of them were Mara. (I.e. this wasn't so much a PvP event as a PvE event with a few bits of PvP thrown in.) There were similar numbers at the Tryker Diamonds in the Sky event and the Matis Gift Outright event (based on /who counts made by friends).

Note: We will never keep all the people who show up in Silan -- that's just not the way the group dynamics of recruitment works. If we were doing well, I would expect that we would hold perhaps 10% of the visitors to Silan. Further, of those who disappear I suspect that many are simply intimidated by the mechanics of the game or disappointed by the lack of instant success, not by the lack of PvP. (This is based on my gut reaction to the questions being asked in Uni.)

Yes, we need to spice the game up. Having interesting events would help, adding rewards for RolePlay (violent OR peaceful), adding rewards for Faction or anti-faction actions probably wouldn't hurt. However, making it difficult for a substantial part of the player base to play the game in peace will not, in my opinion, help in the least.


-- Bittty

Edit: removed personal attacks
GM Tiximei 

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From Lacuna "why not organise an event aimed at beginners as well as those that tag"
Thanks Lac - good constructive response with no attack on any homins :)
This happened with the rescue-materials-stolen-by-mauro event on Sunday (heard one homin say it was the best event ever). All homins who took part were tagged and a level 50 homin survived in team very well (nice when just one enchant heal brings a homin back to full hp)
Is it not worth just trialing a happy hour each day, maybe just over a weekend - might not be long enough though to see how many homins look forward to it

Hopefully homins will keep attacking the idea and not the homins suggesting the idea ...

Wish we had input from ex-Aniro homins

And it is about Lore as well really, Mauro tend to go around tagged, not because they are blood thirsty gankers but because of Lore. Other homins tag up - go an attack them in their own city to get pvp points, then refuse to be tagged anywhere else. In some respect we should all be ready to be attacked by our enemies all the time

Having an option in the poll "I'm too weak" it is trolling... makes the subject not interested in PvP to feel "less".

Well maybe not trolling, but either way, if you get so many negative replies, i think there's something wrong with your post.. well... most definitely something wrong with your post :-)

While I would like to see more people getting involved in non-OP-tagged PvP, I don't think forcing it on the whole population of the server would be the best way to go about it. There is a majority of people who play this game who, for one reason or another, don't chose to engage in tagged PvP, forcing them to do it would certainly drive some away. People need to be shown that it can be, and is fun. Most toons only exposure to PvP is at OP battles, which aren't the best example of good behavior and a spirit of fun, there's almost always a lot of "trash talk" in region, not to mention the arguments that happen in the factioned chat channels before, during and after the fights. A lot of people don't want to subject themselves to that kind of drama.

If you want to have more people involved in the PvP aspect of the game (which I do), it has to be fun and constructive. OP battles teach you very little about the dynamics of the different weapons and skills we get in game but, tagging with friends in a more relaxed setting, where more explaination is possible is a lot more productive. It would be beneficial maybe if there were more open PvP zones to practice in, maybe an arena in or around each capitol city?

The 9 mektoubs event today was so much fun, a lot of people showed up and tagged and we all had a good time, no trash talk, no arguing, no gloating, just good fun. I hope the people in charge of this game saw that and will schedule similar events in the future. I'm voting other in the poll, because I think there's better ways the community here can get new players interested in PvP play than forcing it on them.

-1 => sorry rollocks > choice is good, forcing somthing is bad.

if it's PVP or RP or whatever forced content will never be liked by the whole community

This kind of idea or similar came up in Aniro forums several times in several flavors, though mostly with the intention to intensify being tagged for roleplay purposes.

The concerns which such proposals have already been uttered: removing choices will be likely rather to drive players out than motivating them to do PvP.

Under my impression, PvP participation in Ryzom is not low. More than half of active players, if not more, take part in OP fights, and, as an estimate, well 20% of regular players are in other PvP activities, at least here and then.

Unfortunately, some activities are not known widely. For example, the french players had a long chain of player event activity (SOS theocracy) involving PvP not seldom, last major part the freeing of the marauder Ezek during his trial for assassination of Paolen in Zora (a well planned and carried out attack). A few weeks ago, there was the abduction of a Clan McFay member (Anonyma) by marauders, with a subsequent attack of Clan McFay and allies to free her. Unfortunately, cross language informations are bit too weak and slow, here, and have not been encouraged sufficiently yet. With some translator volunteers one could ease such communication, perhaps.

The idea of more arenas is good as well. I recall the proposal for a Fyros arena having been made on Leanon already and having been considered, would be time to make it happen if possible. An arena in the Lakes would not be bad, either, e.g. on an island close to Dew Drops Kami/Kara tp not to make it a pain to reach it. And then one in the jungle as well ;).

We had long discussions about PvP rewards, already, and this idea is being checked by the Devs. Hope they come to a conclusion, soon.

Normally I would respond to comments especially those that attacking me for proposing and those that falsely attribute statements to me or make statements which have no support.

However the moderator of this forum has decided to remove and censor my responses which just furthers the distortion. Since they have not interested in having me make suggestions to improve the game, and discuss such suggestions, and defend positions I may take when criticized by others in this forum I will no longer post suggestions. Instead I will sit by and watch the size of the active population of Atys decline.

Can someone tell me how I to unsubscribe my account?

Rollocks
Guardian of the Muted Homin

Rollocks --

I'm not quite certain why my long posting got edited for "removing personal attacks" since the parts that got removed were not attacks and were, in fact, explicit statements that I was not attacking you, explaining the differences between "trolling" and "being a troll" with literary examples. I hope you got a chance to see them before they were removed.

-- B

The thought that forced pvp for a week will attract more players than it will discourage is questionable at best.

In general i dont think the game as a whole (difficulty, pvp system) and especially at this point of time (server...) is very attractive to a larger pvp population.

What i did see working in games with a similar level of grind and , ehm, "polish", is pvp with a gambling aspect, stakes and/or dropping all items on death.
But it is again very uncertain that we would be able to pull this off (extra, special area where you loose all items, certain lack of items worth gambling for...).

first while I myself are to big of a slacker to like the idea an idea is still an idea and everyone is free to propose and get an honest discussion without trolling.

about banaone's idea it think it would be verry hard to make but another small idea would be that ppl that are die hard pvp and would love to see more ppl doing it write out a reward system like if you kill me you get 50k dapper or 100sap crystals and such put it somewhere on the forums if enough ppl would do it then it might be a fun expirement

Don't know why you are blaming the moderator (or at least partially) for your decision. I too got posts removed, and a polite message reminding me of the forum rules.

Anyway had already heard that you were considering leaving the game about a week before this.

If this was Eve-online the post I'm quoting would be removed for discussion of moderation.

eve online??? this is ryzom has nothing to do with eve online or their forum rules.