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I really don't understand the concept..... back on Ari, I remember the problem but it solved itself, Like SN's, when peeps had 20,000 sups and 5,000 boss mats in their Ghs, it's lost it's appeal and other players had a chance. I remember popping on after season changes and it just being myself and Bina at the SN's hallf the time for months when we even bothered to go.

These days it seems to be as much, if not more about, keeping them from others than filling actual needs. And why I can see the logic behind not penalizing a player who puts effort into something, it must also be recognized that it's a zero sum game. If someone "gets it" that means someone else will be denied it.

And when that happens, there will be people who can not compete because of time or cash constraints, they leave game .. and that doesn't benefit anyone.

As for a solution, that's a tougher matter as every plan or idea can be abused especially when some have access to knowledge that others do not.

Roving packs of aggro would kill permanent campers, but the ones that pop in and out would be immune.

That is the trend now as well, though we have a much shorter history back from the fusion, and more players.

Sup input q250/270 per month is between 28,000 and 36,000 (not sure which applies), and that is sup only, and q250/270 only. There is nearly as much q200/220, and even more summed up the lower grades. Excellent is hardly worthwhile to count, only part of it going into GH, apt, or mektoubs.

Crafting from that stream of mats is no solution for bulk problems as crafting mostly increases, not decreases bulk (jewels being a rare exception), and sup is only part of better recipes often requiring not only exc, but choice, fine, even basic to even out waste. And wearout of crafted stuff does not at all keep up with input of high and highest grade materials.

If not now, then most probably soon, resource competition will subside to a wide extent. I doubt quite much that camping is an issue at all, recently. It will be even less in the future. Thus I fail to see a point in burdening the CSR with the unsatisfying task of investigating in accusations which are not seldom slander.

I believe that tightening the rules concerning CoC during boss fights would be more rewarding than a hysteric withhunt on real or phantasized campers.

Point being .... one of the reasons there's less demand is cause peeps have decided to either leave game of giving up that part of the game. I was chasin sups right after merge but the perenial aggro dragging and bickering wore me out .... If I wanted to listen to peeps fighting, I would go home from work early and listen to wife and kids :)

Starting out with noting was a wake up call for me .... After giving u on PR, I found I could get around anywheren I wanted to go solo with a set of Fine LA and Choice HA .... dont really "need" betetr stuff like when i first strated being able to wear it.

I hade several sets of NPC armor that I basically "collected" and almost never wore. When we got wiped, Pei, dante and 2 or 3 HA NPC sets were 100% HP. Maybe I'll get em done when peeps have no more Ghs to stuff.,,,,as the for the numbers..... geez that many.... after 3 months every player shud have a full set of everythung after 2 months.

I can never get enough supreme mats. I want to use nothing but the best. The best weapon, the best armor, the best jools, the best mats. Don't tell Fitis, but I grind using nothing but sup mats. It takes a lot of bosses being killed if you have high standards.

Rollocks
Grinder of Supreme Mats
Gaurdian of Purple Yubo

As i have seen and listened from everyone. one thing i noticed is that what i should do after reaching all levels to 250(Highest).
I mean if i will reach level 250 then there is no need of any mission and deppers, in other words i will get it very easy.
so now i have only one work to do and that is to kill bosses and for that i have to run 24x7 hours and i will do this.

so i dont think even its a camping to find and kill boss.

Camping should not be allowed and this should be discussed at Kami, karavan and civic meetings and action by the faction/civilisation should be taken after discussion

Social pressure seems to be only way forward

Before banning camping, one should consider tightening rules on harassing boss fight parties, ganking, killing mektoubs, dragging agro, and other griefing practices, including abusive speech and writing in chats and forums. After that, a renewed ban on camping may be discussed, rationally, without attempts to carry out personal hostilities and feuds.

Funny when the thugs are calling for the police, selectively

Ah of course daomei I forget you know so much about things which occur during PVP. I won't even bother telling you why these things are a part of PVP because I honestly think it will be completely lost on you.

All things aside a serious question here for you: Why do you think killing mektoubs is more of an issue than camping bosses?

I was going to vote but decided not to because I didn't know how to answer the question as there seems to be two parts.


Should camping be allowed or should some change be made. That was the question so:


Should camping be allowed - No

Should some change be made - Yes to prevent camping.

Virg --

Without getting into the merits/rules of engagement/ etc. of PvP activities, there is a clear difference between camping bosses and killing mektoub packers/mounts. In the former case you are (potentially) denying a player the chance to own something (sup mats); it is a negative action. In the latter case you are taking something they already own and destroying it; it is a positive action.

The difference is clear. Whether one is more of a problem than the other I am not sure, but I have seen no proof of a camping epidemic and it is pretty clear that Rollocks is claiming to be a one-homin epidemic of mektoub slaughter, so there is a clear and present danger (if he is telling the truth) of the latter.

With respect, and heading back to my bunker,

-- Bittty

You would not see any proof of a camping unless you regularly checked bosses, a fact which I have attempted to tell Daomei several times to no avail. Of course there is a clear difference between camping bosses and killing mektoub mounts. In killing mektoubs you are denying the player an advantage at PVP- which is being able to move around whilst using range weapons. Seeing as launcher is extremely powerful killing players mektoubs to limit their range of movement and effectiveness is a valid and useful PVP tactic.

Why a valid PVP tactic needs to be "fixed" I have no idea. Especially as do you see any open hate towards mekkie killing on the forums? Compared to how much support their is to ban camping on the forums?

I voted NO it should not be allowed.
YES changes should be made.

My personal view is that if you yourself want to spend hours on end sitting in a little corner of Atys waiting for a boss to spawn doing nothing but twiddling your thumbs... go for it, it is your choice what you spend your time doing.
But to use alts to do this whilst you are busy digging your mats and crafting is something I do not agree with.

That's quite an ideal world you are preaching.

The reality is quite different. We are still all affected from the post-merger.
Ambitious players still need/want boosted items or other items with expensive mat costs which require a great deal of mats - don't forget that you cannot control what a mob will drop in relation to loot and you can end up with a mixed bag/useless mats a lot of times.

If it was so easy that these avid campers suddenly became considerate, there would be no such debates thriving in the forums. As such, they are clearly not considerate and personally I feel that we should gather our efforts and start to name and shame them with screenshots because despite them making use f2p alts(or otherwise), it will not be long before the real culprits appear.

In fact the claims are unconvincing for a simple reason. In all time since these allegations have come up, I have been patrolling the realms for a couple of reasons, boss spotting not among them anymore(I explained why). Inevitably I came and come across a lot of spots (in fact, most of them on surface and a couple of them in PR) where bosses may spawn, among them not too few of the "important" ones.

Now, when assuming that bosses are spotted by swarms of campers all time, I would have necessarily stumbled over at least a couple of them. In fact, I did not meet any. Instead, I even stumbled about a couple of bosses.

The conclusion is simple and evident: When campers are not there, they cannot spot bosses. In other words: there have not been any campers at many of the usual boss spots (and I am speaking of 250 and 200 regions) for long periods.

Maybe there is some camper somewhere, here and then. But it is simply not the case that swarms of alts, especially makeshift f2p alts, are holding boss spots under close surveillance. These campers are widely a myth.

And nobody so far has provided evidence for such widespread camping. In fact two players have admitted to have camped tree sites with their main and/or subbed alt character. Not that I consider that a particularly good idea, but indeed, I know about not too few players from other guilds who spotted and killed trees, though, and even got some of the most wanted (only once dropping) objects. So even the complaint that by such practices others were effectively denied access to that resource does not hold much water. Anyway, there is nearly a year to rethink tree locations and spawn times, now.

Again, I would like to see the hysteria, suspicion, and blame game to cool down.

Just to throw this in the mix : couple months ago Azad was waiting for Manda, needing pelvis for more than 1 weapon. So he sat and waited in the Gibbads camp. Manda spawns, he calls us to help kill .. but 1 minute later another group pops online and gets the kill before we could assemble. The incident has repeated a few times in a row, until we were considering to screenshot and report the players.

Similarly, I've seen alts popping online and dissapearing again immediately near the Master Florist, with the only reason I can think of being to farm the Lucky Flowers.

You don't have to keep an alt online all the time in order to scout, and in fact doing that risks getting them killed. Popping them online from time to time is more efficient. Not saying it happens with bosses because I haven't witnessed it, but I can *definitely* imagine it as a possibility.