What about me ? - English - Foro de la Comunidad Ryzom

Zhoi (atys)

Hm, wasn't the title of the thread "what about me?" :D

Actually, when you read it word by word, you can apply this to you :p so the title is good

Nothing would change - not even a tiny little bit if Zhoi was a "real" Initiate. And you know this very well.

Actually, no, i completely disagree. This is your opinion, founded on your opinion only. If Zhoi would have been an official member of the Theocracy (according to my criterions), i would have involved earlier in your troubles with Icus, everything would have been different.

Daomei is right: at the first Assembly (February 11th) we already had votings for national topics (first one being about the transporter of "To new horizons" started by Mabreka Cho) and some more times ever since; Zhois vote has always been counted exactly similar to that of any other Initiate.

And what if i didn't see this as a vote ? We conduct the assemblies without constitution, so without clear rules about decision. You call this a vote, i say we just agreed with a particular proposal. If everyone agree, there is no need to vote. And i already explained this to you.

You might of course oppose this status IC, for what illogical reason whatsoever. But how can you possibly say OOC that someone wants to "impose" something on you by that - as a player? How intolerant can you be?

This is simply because you come and say hey, i'm honorary intitiate. Nothing more, and several month later we discover what this means, and because time has passed we(actually I) should have nothing to say.
My point is (and i will answer to Salazar as well) : as for anyone, i accepted all other nobles, and awakened, as such (i don't speak about Akenaks and taliar, because they were newly elected , there is no question about those), i never said to anyone "hey, you can't be an awakened because i know them all, you're not a one of them". I know the meaning of these titles, as i passed a test myself to gain it. But for this honorary initiate title : there has been none. This is completely new, and what, am I supposed to guess what it is alone ? Accept this instantly because this was existing in Leanon ?
We had no explanation at all about this. Being something new and particular to one server only , I say this is a failure and this leads to the feeling i already expressed : something is imposed to us.
Something i don't understand, because i have no informations on it at all.
I cannot judge if i agree or not, i cannot say under which conditions i could see this logic or not in terms of roleplay.
By default, i simply disagree, and i have arguments for that, i already told OOC ones.

On another hand : I agree that peoples shall participate to national assemblies without having the official citizenship. But in this case, i cannot accept that they have the same rights as the official citizens. Or this is making citizenship completely irrelevant, and let's say i feel offended with this idea, having worked to be an official citizen (and more) of my IG nation.
So yes, i am intolerant, if you want, about this.

At the moment there is just one single character carrying a title that is just a little bit different from others, nothing more than that. It could have happened on any server.

This is a mere detail, is it really a title that you can carry ? I have never seen it.

Your character had and still has the chance to protest and discuss this. Well, your character has only just started to oppose that after our characters had begun to fight verbally.

This is perfectly logical as an IC-tactics.
But OOC it is not.

OOC i only started now because firstly i tried to keep open-minded, and to know more about this, while at the same time willing not to make it an OOC issue. What i like is roleplaying, not argueing endlessly.

Now that you are aware of this topic, i simply ask you this : can you explain me with details everything that has to be known about how this honorary initiate title appeared ?
This is definetely not something obvious to me. Is it so hard to understand ?