More to do at OP Battles - IDEAS FOR RYZOM

#21 Added by Marelli(arispotle) 1 decade ago [en]

Without saying I'd prefer it over Ryzom's PvP, I must mention LotRO already has the only possible model for having PvP without splitting the community.

In Ryzom terms, it works like Erizon's Kitin battle ground idea, with the added feature that everyone has the option to at any time control a kitin in the battlezone, instead of their regular player character.

#22 Added by Entendu 1 decade ago [en]

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better yet: do away with pvp completely, remove the strive, hatred, and all the other bad things that pvp inevitably introduces.

No fun at all. I don't work hard to level my skills just to hug a Karavan .

#23 Added by Suboxide 1 decade ago [en]

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*Hugs Entendu 'with 2 daggers in hand'*

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#24 Added by Sherkalyn 1 decade ago [en]

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I hug Karas everyday... on the battle fields I keep them warm with fire spells. <3

No seriously, even a tree-hugger like me would be sad without PvP. ^^; Removing the Outpost battles is a bad idea. Making the outpost sommething else than just a drill that fills your Guildhall with junk (read bulky flower invasion) would be awesome, though.

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#25 Added by Marelli(arispotle) 1 decade ago [en]

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Making the outpost sommething else than just a drill that fills your Guildhall with junk (read bulky flower invasion) would be awesome, though.

I don't know about that... I think making outposts more customisable would make guilds get more attached to their outposts, thereby adding more drama to the PvP.

I'd love to see customisable outposts according to the original model, though. That is, non-PvP outposts, which guilds take by performing some PvE guild-mission, and lose again if they can no longer maintain the upkeep.

No, I'm not saying I want to get rid of the PvP outposts, I'm just saying I don't see why we couldn't have different kinds of outposts.

#26 Added by Suboxide 1 decade ago [en]

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What about a mix of it?

do PVP to get op, then do guild missions to keep op producing, if you can't keep upkeep you loose op and it becomes a rogue op everyone can attack and the defenders will just be simple npc's, are you able to keep upkeep then other guilds can still attack but you can do like in the past and buy npc's and even more.

ps. 4-6h mission once a week with guild should be good i guess so ppl with alot op's get a hard time and the higher q the op the harder the mission and should only allow guild members on the missions (we all know this can be exploited but atleast it gives some kind of idea)

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#27 Added by Marelli(arispotle) 1 decade ago [en]

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On second thought though, that would suck for the last member of the dieing guild feeling obligated to do all the upkeep by themself to hold onto the outpost "in case the others come back" :P

#28 Added by Kaetemi 1 decade ago [en]

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According to the original manual... all outposts would belong to tribes.
To take over an outpost, there'd've been a period of time where guilds can apply for the mission of taking over the outposts, then the guild with the best fame for the tribe gets the mission. The guild then has 2 weeks to take over the outpost either by grinding missions, or by basically killing the tribe.

Outposts would only give a guild access to the special guild missions of that outpost.
And the only reward from that would be the GUILD XP points, and some fame points.

This guild xp would then be usable for buying guildhall improvements, such as special guild-only trainers giving access to special skills (tribe-specific crafting plans, etcetera (outposts belong to tribes)), and npc merchants for selling your guild member's stuff.

Was originally no PvP involved at all. :p

I'd like to see the guild xp points being implemented someday though...

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#29 Added by Cidre(arispotle) 1 decade ago [en]

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damm that nearly sounds quite good too XD

#30 Added by Iala(arispotle) 1 decade ago [en]

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would be nice indeed, as Kaetemi indicates.
A mix might include each guild being able to own an outpost (and only one), with there being a limited number of drills Atys wide over which those people interested in pvp can fight battles in an organised setting (maybe like arena tournaments).
The winner of the battle gets the right to build a drill on their outpost, which will produce products until such a time as they are defeated by another guild.

Making teams of fixed size would make the whole thing more interesting, with less drama, as it becomes more of a test of skills than an effort to simply swarm the defender, an effort that in the past has been accompanied by attempts outside of the op wars themselves to get people to quit playing so as to weaken the opposing faction to the point they can't put up enough people to win the next war.

#31 Added by Erizon(arispotle) 1 decade ago [en]

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Making teams of fixed size would make the whole thing more interesting, with less drama, as it becomes more of a test of skills than an effort to simply swarm the defender, an effort that in the past has been accompanied by attempts outside of the op wars themselves to get people to quit playing so as to weaken the opposing faction to the point they can't put up enough people to win the next war.

Even though this game isn't a true sandbox game, artificial restrictions are never a good thing. Particularly since you'd still have the "meta game" that you describe happening behind the scenes. (Disclaimer: I'm a member of the faction that is currently on the losing end of "the swarm").

As long as the outposts have something that benefits just about every facet of the game, selfishness and greed will bubble up to the surface and define how people interact with one another. It boggles my mind, and still stings a little, that people will throw away friendships and bonds and unity because of some pixels in a game.

I still maintain that to keep PvP and still bring things back to the "fun" level, remove the benefits from the outposts and bring them back in a way that not only makes sense within the game (digging for cats?) but also depends only on player skill within the game, not behind the scenes.

#32 Added by Sywindt(Yubo) 1 decade ago [en]

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#33 Added by Marelli(arispotle) 1 decade ago [en]

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Iala

A mix might include each guild being able to own an outpost (and only one), with there being a limited number of drills Atys wide over which those people interested in pvp can fight battles in an organised setting

Huh, I really like this idea, though I'd put a slightly different spin on it.

The outposts would be obtained according to the non-PvP model Kaetemi explains, and guilds could then attack eachother's outposts with the objective of stealing the drill. So the PvP would be the same as it is now, but if you win you don't take the outpost, just the drill, to put up at your own outpost. And one outpost could have several drills, ofcourse, if the owners are succesful at stealing more than one.

#34 Added by Kaetemi 1 decade ago [en]

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Ooh, I like that idea of a limited amount of drills, and stealing them from each other.

Also, I'd like to see outposts be more village-like, so you can for example put permanent guards on them, to rescue you from mobs, like are in the cities, hire merchants, etcetera, for a weekly price in dappers, so you can have your own little trading village in the middle of nowhere. Or you could hire a group of bandits instead, and make it a bandit outpost that's unfriendly against every non-guildie. Anyone coming near just gets killed, hahaha. :)

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#35 Added by Erizon(arispotle) 1 decade ago [en]

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Wouldn't this alternative still have the same meta gaming, back stabbing, treachery, betrayal and general divisiveness that many have spoken against? The real item of worth, the drill, is still obtained and defended via PvP.

The only thing this does protect against is one guild coming along to control all of the outposts. And really, if a guild is capable of capturing and defending that many outposts, they should be allowed to do so.