GENERAL

I think it’s important before I start to mention that I don’t do multiboxing, except for healing my nodes sometimes.

I completely understand the annoyance of some players on the fact that multiboxing can create an imbalance, especially on op wars or on bosses.

Despite this, I’m not quite sure implementing so fast such an unexpected decision is the right solution. One of your main arguments was the fact that now that there are more people online, you receive more complaints, and alts are no longer necessary for the game since there are enough players. But think about the fact that these people came back because of an exceptional context and most of them (let’s be honest with ourselves) will be gone within two or three months. Maybe waiting at least for things to all come back to normal would be a good idea?

Now let’s talk about losses. I sincerely think that they will be a lot more important if this decision is implemented than if things are changed, but not like that. I don’t know if you still care at this point, but since they are multiboxing, that’s 4 subscriptions per month that ryzom will lose, for each one of them. On the other hand, if you let them play with their alts but keep them from ruining other people’s game experience (banning alts from op/bosses), I don't think anyone hates them enough to still want to leave if they don’t annoy anyone anymore.

One of the other arguments that Ulukyn gave, is that using a team full of alts could ruin the interest of the storyline. But you can be sure that most of your ”famous multiboxers” don’t care at all about doing the storyline with their alts, and if they are interested in it, I think they will all be willing to team with other players.
I personally know one of these multiboxers, and I know that most of the time when he logs on, it’s just for the sake of training 4 toons at the same time, because he’s bored with just one or two. Taking that from them, knowing that honestly when they just train like that they don’t bother anyone, is just taking their whole interest in the game, since that’s what they enjoy on Ryzom. Making players who’ve been playing for more than 10 years and who play all year long because these days there are more complaints from people who play one month per year once every four years is quite unfair.
I am aware that you’ve said that they will keep their alts, but just won’t be able to play them all at the same time, but let’s be honest, that will just make them leave completely. That will just make them lose 10 years of time and money investment.

Another argument would be roleplay. Most of the players who complain about multiboxing practice roleplay, but you can’t force everyone to do the same. Personally I enjoy a bit of roleplay sometimes, but when I do some, I can easily understand that some people don’t like it (it takes some time, and it’s an activity that anyone could not like). So if someone decides to train alone with his 3 alts, I don’t see how it can bother anyone.

Finally, you keep saying that multiboxing keeps people from socializing with others to collaborate for tasks or quests. Added to the fact that I completely disagree because wanting to be independant to train doesn’t keep anyone from talking with others or enjoying a nice hunt with friends, if they prefer playing on their own with their alts, I don’t see the problem, as long as they don’t ruin anyone’s game experience (on bosses or op wars for example).


Despite all this, I completely agree with the ones saying that it has created an imbalance on outposts especially. I really understand how people can be annoyed when they see a team full of alts soloing a boss, or winning a war thanks to them. In that case, could we not just leave the limit to four, but make the rules more strict by banning alts from outposts or bosses for example, and wait at least a few weeks after everyone is back to work before taking such an important decision without exchanging more with the players?

Banning alts from outposts for example don’t seem too complicated, since if they are fighting on the outpost, just one screenshot/video and *poof*, banned (seems a lot easier to prove than the use of a third party software).

Sorry for the loooong post, but too many arguments seemed a bit too easy.

« This is the hypocrisy. None of you have any leg to stand on talking about how the game should be played. The game was designed to be multiboxed and that fact is irrefutable. »

 « All you have is a video showing your limited perspective. Feel free to post your video wherever you like but your continued harassment means the only one violating the Code of Conduct here is you. »

 Donc c’est irréfutable que le jeu ait été conçu pour se jouer avec le multiboxing, mais une preuve vidéo est réfutable ?

Je ne commenterais même pas le bon vieux classique : « You are not forcing me to play the game "correctly". You are forcing me to play it your way or forcing me out of it. »

Hi,
I think the problem isnt coming from multiboxing, I agree that a player "soloing" a Boss shouldnt be happening. But having more than 2 charaters logged at the same time is way more than PvPing or huting Boss, most people use them for crafting (having different GHs for different mats for exemple) and it shouldnt be forbidden.
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Therefore i just join Mathi & General's opinions that we shouldnt take that kind of decision this fast.

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Donc maintenant, jouer à plusieurs alt en même temps, c'est de l'art? :facepalm:
Pour les petites config, 1 alt en plus du perso principal, ça tient. Au delà, ça pose problème.
Alors de quoi vous plaignez-vous? Vous avez déjà de quoi faire la quasi totalité des choses sur ryzom avec de vrais joueurs à vos horaires. Vous voulez quoi de plus? Pouvoir faire les boss maraud?
Le Chancey boss hunt, ça peut se tenir en terme de RP. Après tout, les marauds sont des ennemis de bien des nations/factions. Et c'est des joueurs avec d'autres joueurs. Donc même si personnellement je trouve ça pas terrible ce mélange de tout et n'importe qui (surtout azazor, ça lui file; des boutons), ça passe quand même. C'est un peu dommage, mais ça passe.
(Et techniquement de toute façon, on ne peut pas les interdire.)

Il faut avoir répertorié tous les alt des joueurs. Et rien ne les empêchera d'en faire des tout neufs. Je ne pense pas que ce soit aussi simple.
Vous parlez de pertes aussi. ça représente quoi les joueurs avec 3-4 alt en même temps et qui ne vont pas accepter la décision au point de partir? Une poignée de joueur. Donc même dans l'intérêt purement financier, je ne suis pas sûr que Ryzom y perde au change.

Pareil pour l'idée d'etchelion d'un programme anticheat. Vous êtes au courant qu'on est sur ryzom? C'est pas la foire au dév hein? XD

What I am complaining about is that how I play is being dictated by people who have nothing to do with me, who are completely unaffected by it and who have no reason to complain other than FOMO.

What I am complaining about is that this is the second time a rule has been changed to restrict the way I and others play based solely on complaints by the devs favourite players.

What I am complaining about is that so many of you continue to talk about "software" and continue to accuse me of cheating even tho it has never been established that anyone in the game is currently using software, yet I am still being treated as if I am guilty by default.

What I am complaining about is that this is a blatantly political move that is designed to drive me and my friends out of the game, and nothing more.

If this weekend has showed anything, it has showed that good players utilising good teamwork can beat an opponent with greater numbers (alts or not). The OP battle complaint is foolish, as that complaint was NEVER addressed before the merge when the Kamis had the alt advantage. It wasnt addressed until it affected the french players. I have never fought with any group of people over a boss kill. I have always played politely, shared and helped others. This "massive advantage" that I am being accused of having through "external software" is nothing more than a jealous perception from people who are afraid they are missing out on something, completely ignoring the other inherent imbalances that are impossible to change, for example physical distance from the server, active populations during time zones, and many others.

You want to ask me what MY complaint is? This is not happening because of MY complaint. This is happening because of yours.

But you can’t let us invest in our alts for ten years and suddenly take them away.

c'est pas faux :p

Et Soleya a aussi des arguments... et c'est vrai aussi que sur les temps US (ai bp joué la nuit, car travaillant en horaires décalés), il y a biien moins de monde.

 

peux-etre cela aurait été bien de prendre le temps d'en parler avant ?

Apparently they can. Some may call a good decision, I call it a lack of respect for the ones that invested time and money for over a decade playing by the rules.

The ball is yours, do what you want with it. Good luck, and may Ryzom live.

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To be asked directly to the support team support@ryzom.com

It's not the place for this.

First of all: I dislike alts, but this is only my opinion and i wont use them (my alt is still lvl1 standing in void)
Its a bit annoying when you walk with people through PR when you got an alt and theyre not properly skilled when using them.
But just a tiny bit.
I see the fun and challenge of using multiple alts tho, and i feel everyone should play how one wants.

I know some multiboxers and those people were some of the more social people around. People who dig with multiple toons just so they can make pretty armours and weapons for newcomers. Constantly helpful, prosperous to this community.
I dont really want to imagine how those active players feel now, i really do not. It fills me up with sadness to see this
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Ban the alts from OP wars, screenshot if there is some violation. Same could be done for bosses.
In this game that promotes freedom so heavily, it is sad to see such a dictative decision - Hypocrisy at its finest.

I may not be around here the longest. in fact im a toddler compared to most of Homins here.
Maybe my perception may be impaired, but it feels like most complaints come from marauders, who just came back recently.
Given the situation i strongly doubt those maras will stay for long.

But yeah, sure, keep listening to those players who wont stay here, change the rules, destroys peoples fun and hard work, just because someone who will leave after 3 months of playing again.

For those RP reasons, let me tell you im a RP fullblood, but RP is just like religion: you dont shove it into everyones face.
(OOT: also id like to say that most peoples RP here is really really bad RP "you not my nation i dont play with you bye" instead of a proper trashtalk? This just seems like a lowkey way to ventilate your inner hate, just my two cents on this.)

tldr: id like to see not an alt army on OP wars, or doing someone a boss, or farming dante that way. but this is not the right way. not at all.
Dont push a stick through your wheel while riding a bicycle, Ryzom Team.

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To be asked directly to the support team support@ryzom.com

It's not the place for this.

The new CoC are not applyied yet. Will be applyied in future.
This is an open discussion to get opinion of everyone.

Sorry if you misunderstand it, maybe too obvious for us that's not possible to change the CoC like that without discussion.

Ryzom forge are, for us, a space for discussion with players, can explain our misstake...

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Irrelevant and disrespectfull

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Off-topic
Keep the discussion around Multiboxing and the indicated changes.
Identifying and dealing with actual cases of third-party software usage is a CSR Task, not a player one.