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#33 Eingetragen von Gidget vor 6 Jahren [en]

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Revvy

In a roleplay driven Atys,...

Just remember that not everyone on this server had the same balance between RP and G in their view of RPGs as you do. Is Atys truly RP-driven or is is a game where RP is an element? I think we need to start a thread on this, if for no reason other than to prove once and for all that not everyone here is of like mind on this issue.

Revvy

...you can't be attackable only when you are "ready" to fight.

Revvy

Not only to kill people on sight, and then untag because your irl personal driven duty is done (like we can see way too much).

I was always under the impression that the 30m timer was to prevent precisely that form of attack avoidance. Re-read what I addressed to Mithian in my previous comment and you'll see why I feel 30m is a reasonable compromise between "instant de-flagging" and "flagging is forever!". Maybe an hour, tops.

Revvy

To try PvP without faction play and any roleplay meaning, you can practice in an arena like the Matis one, you won't gain points tho, but this could change with a new topic about it.
It can be very fun also to do, without any poisonous meaning or CoC abuse.

You assume I don't already do that? Granted, I don't PvP as often as some since I find it less fun than I did many years ago. But there are still times when I like to pit my skills against other players. There is more to my time on Atys than digging, grinding, hunting, or socializing ;)

Revvy

As for Naema, the atys world isn't that bad they think it is when you are tag, you are the living proof of it.
Seem you didn't get chain killed and some other myths.

We don't all have the same experiences, which is a large part of why we don't always have the same opinions; experience shapes opinion.

Revvy

I would like to imagine a tag which has a meaning, like it used to be.

I haven't seen the tags change meaning since I've been here (2012), and I know that the three servers that predate the one we have now were not identical, so "used to be" is rather subjective. Maybe this could be a part of the "What does Ryzom mean to you?" thread I proposed at the top of this post....

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#34 Eingetragen von Aleeskandaro vor 6 Jahren [de]

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#35 Eingetragen von Sinvaders vor 6 Jahren [en]

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@Gidget You nailed it, Atys is not RP-Driven (even if they tried to sell the game this way) or not anymore maybe. To me PvP should support RP not be a kids type of playing :P I agreed that everyone is not sharing this view tho. I hope you will have a better experience next time you will put your tag on :)

#36 Eingetragen von Lacuna vor 6 Jahren Mehrsprachig

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Quick clarification: no one is crying about losing a boss while tagged, but a situation that is not against the rules but the spirit of them. I believe that pvp should be rp driven. Just an opinion. However, if you are going to tag up and get red flagged there should be consequences for your toon. I suggested 24 hours as a starting point for discussion. Jahuu makes a great point, and I think Alees makes a valid point too, but I do think the tag should last FAR longer than it does just now if you are red tagged. I think that there does exist a far more balance cooldown than exists at present.

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#37 Eingetragen von Placio vor 6 Jahren [en]

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... I've seen very little RP driven PvP; its mostly griefers, Player killers, and those grinding PvP points...

Anyways back to the topic, I originally though a small increase would be fine, but it really does't matter. if the timer were 12hr, the person could just logout and come back later, or sit at a TP afk... At the 12 or 24 hour level afks and logouts are going to happen anyway...

#38 Eingetragen von Aleeskandaro vor 6 Jahren [en]

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Mithian

I will do an example to try to show you what we are actually talking about...

Thanks for the clarification Lac, I was just adressing Mithian's example of what he/they were talking about, so forgive me if I misunderstood the purpose of your post.

Current problem as you pose it is: there is not enough time to revenge on someone who attacked you. The problem I see with your solution is it implies a further exploitation risk, forcing people to be attackable way beyond the episodic action of attacking, in a manner that can badly disrupt the other game activities in which anyone may want to participate, be it because they are then chain killable, or because they're forced to stay at their apartment or hidden in an uninteresting region or vortex while you can detag.

Because lets be honest, contrary to what some have said here:

Sinvaders

...being full-time PvP tag doesn't mean you are always fighting or whatever ... it's definitely a wrong idea that people have

Sinvaders

I think my character is buggy then, I'm always tag and I am never been chainkilled :/ Shall I open a support ticket ?

Sinvaders

You do NOT get chain killed by being tag.

(err you kind of do, see

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Many do find in PvP and RP reasons to simply play as ah, often simply because its "allowed in the CoC" and in doing so remove any attractive to PvP as a RP choice. Perhaps the ground behind this notion of unrelatedness between PvP and RP lies in the fact that seldomly anyone goes further than a /die emote to provoque the other and motivate PvP?

I think the current system works, but were a change necessary, I propose a similar one to Jahuu's, yet not as drastic, and affecting exclusively those directly implicated.

How about extending the red tag timer while keeping the cooldown timer the same?

No change will have 100% effectiveness, since as Placio says, people can simply log, hide, stay at portal or whatever to avoid the fight, but prolongating the red timer would, in my opinion make people give some more consideration when it comes to attacking someone. Yes, you won't be able to use TPs, but then, you're asking that attacking someone have a more significant effect, are you not? And also, since yellow timer remains the same, overall detag time is longer.

In the current situation yellow tag is 30 mins after activation or attack, red timer is 10m. In my proposed change, red timer could be around 30 mins and then 30m extra in case you want to fully detag. In this scenario detag time remains the same for all of those who tagged yellow and didn't attack anyone, and punishes/gives effect to those who did.

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#39 Eingetragen von Victoriacamper vor 6 Jahren [en]

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Tamarea

C. Rules of the Code of Conduct
I. Courtesy Rules
I.1. Harassment of a player or of a member of a Ryzom Team (Major/Minor Offence: depending on the degree, the Support Team will decide on each case)

Provocation and harassment, whether verbal or through gameplay actions, are prohibited in-game as well as on Ryzom's chat channels: insults, threats of all kinds (under cover of roleplay or not), provocation via emotes or other, but also the
chain kill of a character, its campfires or its mektoubs
(except during outpost battles), repeated or regular pullovers of mobs on the same character... This list is not exhaustive.
The Support team reserves the right to prepare a file if it deems a case to be proven harassment, as well as to take the decisions that are necessary based on the seriousness of the facts.

#40 Eingetragen von Revvy vor 6 Jahren [en]

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*thinking..*

One idea that no ones got yet, what about removing PvP from the game?

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#41 Eingetragen von Mithian vor 6 Jahren [en]

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AAAAANNNNNNNNND.... Nope.

Ryzom allow you to rez somewhere else.... If you're chain killed, it's because YOU DECIDE TO

Chainkill is not allowed, it may be considered harassment according to the CoC: https://app.ryzom.com/app_forum/index.php?page=topic/view/28406/1 &post187222=en#5

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#42 Eingetragen von Aleeskandaro vor 6 Jahren [en]

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*Del* useless comment

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Bisugott(Atys)

#43 Eingetragen von Northstar vor 6 Jahren [en]

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@Victoriacamper

In Ryzom, PvP is at all times consensual. Activating your PvP tag, entering a PvP zone or engaging in an outpost battle implies that you accept the consequences. To put it simply, if you do not want to take part in PvP action, then it is your responsibility to not activate your tag or not go into PvP zones.

a) Faction PvP

A player who activates his PvP tag accepts the consequences, whatever the circumstances.
E.g.: being killed while foraging, at the stables, while afk, at a respawn point near a vortex.

If, despite your tag, you wish to avoid the fight, you can wait for detagging to occur, hide, use a TP, change place or region, etc.

Press F to pay your Respects

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#44 Eingetragen von Victoriacamper vor 6 Jahren [en]

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@Northstar
You need to read the part about harrasment first, as it is the first section. All other rules derive. But I can see how you would interpret this to your convenience.

Removing Pvp is a good idea Revvy, it's only a 1% of the game that does it and even then, it's just griefers, Player killers, and those grinding PvP points...

#45 Eingetragen von Siela vor 6 Jahren [en]

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Victoriacamper

Removing Pvp is a good idea Revvy, it's only a 1% of the game that does it and even then, it's just griefers, Player killers, and those grinding PvP points...

Wrong. I have personally done lots of times:
- PvP for fun (with Maras but also others)
- PvP in connection with RP (for example with a homin in depression)
- PvP in connection with events (against Maras wanting to hinder our projects for example)

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#46 Eingetragen von Moniq vor 6 Jahren [en]

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I have been thining about the red tag and I must remind you about one problem that happens again and again during (mass) events. Some restless homins bring red tag into the league. Once I heal such homin I get the red tag as well (by accident for example). Even for now it means I have to sit and wait for 10 minutes doing nothing before I can join the event again. If you rise the timeout for red tag to 12 or 24 hours, it means end of my participation on the event because I will not be able to do actions as expected (due red tag limits).

#47 Eingetragen von Revvy vor 6 Jahren [en]

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Moniq

I have been thining about the red tag and I must remind you about one problem that happens again and again during (mass) events. Some restless homins bring red tag into the league. Once I heal such homin I get the red tag as well (by accident for example). Even for now it means I have to sit and wait for 10 minutes doing nothing before I can join the event again. If you rise the timeout for red tag to 12 or 24 hours, it means end of my participation on the event because I will not be able to do actions as expected (due red tag limits).

This is mainly why we are talking about tag and not flag here.
Jahuu idea still balance it good in my opinion, it doesn't give a malus to player clicking on a button, and it give a malus to player attacking other players.

Normal behavior for PvP tag, if you do PvP flag, then 10mn to unflag + xx hours PvP tagged.
When the xx hours is done, normal behavior for PvP tag take place again.

People wanting to try PvP, like on Silan, can go in Arena and enjoy their time, while player wanting to PvP in the wild and with Roleplay (faction war?), need to assume their choice and action in time.

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