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I can't tell you about people leaving the game, but for sure the fact that the game is stuck doesn't attracted new players and players who might return if things are moving on. And some are leaving or leaved because the game is/was going to nowhere.

But I think, we kinda have the same understanding on severals points here.

I agreed on that:

- PvP shouldn't be forced, that's why in this proposal we included a way to bypass this by paying for players. But maybe in the proposal, it's a bit too much and in a too short period of time;

- We suggested a paid in mats/dappers exactly because it has already be done in the past and it will continue to be done (goo, thesos tower defense, temple war etc) and it's a good way to make homin responsible of what they do in a certain basis;

- I'm glad that I was wrong with this sentence : "You are talking about "dappers" and "short-cycle" as blockers and then it's 'NO'. My opinion is: you read PvP and then you closed the discussion." :)
The grind aspect is something that we need to take into account but right now I don't see any others solutions than more grinds in a first time :/ but maybe it can be an long event where cities/nations could train and help by collecting mats the new patrols to watch the land instead of collecting mats every N days;

- Collecting dappers is hard because the economy is broken. As a marauder player for me it's impossible to grind dappers if I want to play my char on the right way: aka to collect dappers you need to do mission or occupations:
- craft mission are given by PNJ's who increase our fame at one point and/or are friends with nations... doesn't make sense for me to do that;
- occupation: as far as I know I can't do them since I'm not allowed in any city of Atys (because of my fame being lower than -50 everywhere);

But maybe we can link the craft mission with the proposal we have here... like that people continue to grind but help at the same time (means rewards as its already in place).

What made me mad recently is the federals guard who appeared on Fairhaven... but understand me, I'm not against those guards they are more than welcome in my opinion but the point is how it has been done: --> Players requested them on Taliari assembly and then guards popped (request was to eject marauders), and they made this request because they were not able to eject us themselves (yeah they never tag... so how do you want to eject your ennemies from the city in that case)... its just doesn't sound fair cause guards are over powered and we can't do anything about. To me if players doesn't want to see us: 1) they tag and say us good bye with their axes. 2) they help to increase the guards patrol. And then the proposal has nothing to do with PvP really, it's adding PvE and interactions in the game.

For the event team, you are right they are trying to include us in some events (and not only PvP events in case you mind (yeah I'm not an hardcore PvP player at all and I'm bad at it to be honest)). And we have our roles to play (and sometimes my char is feeling hurt as a marauder when his ennemies are healing him for whatever reasons). But yes, it's a very good thing and I hope that others we learn how to play with us in a respectful way (both last events which has been player with marauders interaction where a success for both side).

I hope there will be some changes once the real marauder fame arrive. I have been thinking about that, it might be possible that (once marauders will be "real faction") some of tribes will turn back to their religions and change allegiance to marauders.
I have no closer idea what all will the marauder fame really bring, but seems logical to me that they should have some "support" as kami and kara have. Maybe not that big for their matter. And there I see space for pro-marauder missions.

About payed guards, well, it lookes like not any bad idea that there will be a mechanism where guilds/players can "pay" for (more) guards up to some reasonable limit and for some limited time. I also don't like that those federal guards appeared magically one day from nowhere. I think it had to be connected, at least, to (series of) event(s) like building feds base camp or "guild hall" and crafting equipment etc...

Faux ! Je ne tag plus depuis un bon moment. Je n'ai jamais été un fervent supporter du PvP (même en étant Alkiane et oui).

Et je supporte à fond l'idée d'entretenir la sécurité des territoires de chaque peuple... pourquoi ? Justement parce qu'un territoire ça s'entretient et ça se défend pour assurer sa sécurité.

Pourquoi bis ? Parce que j'ai toujours eu envie de voir en entrant dans une région qu'elle appartenait à "quelqu'un" via le fameux message info système. En l'occurrence ça pourrait être "La zone est défendue par le Royaume / l'Empire / la Théocratie / la Fédération" ou "La zone n'est sous le contrôle de personne, les bandits grouillent".

On est dans un jeu où un gameplay a été conçu en relation avec un background fait de relation positive et négative entre les différents peuples et foi. Je pense qu'il serait temps d'assumer ceci. Il y a des affinités et des velléités entre les peuples qu'il faut assumer et exploiter.

Au même titre que les postes avancés pour les kitins que certains alimentent toujours alors qu'il n'y a pas d'invasion, voyez cette proposition de défendre vos territoires d'un ennemi, le maraudeur, qui en veut aux civilisations et à leurs membres. Assurez la sécurité de vos territoire pour vous garantir la paix, comme avec les kitins.

Et si on faisait l'inverse ?
Devoir payer pour rendre une zone pvp ?

Et tu justifierais comment le fait que l'on paye pour que la zone devienne PvP?

+1000 Zagh

Bribe fund to make the guards look the other way.?

Does it makes sense to pay some bribes to the guards?
Not sure if any nations will accept to have corrupted guards. Or if the guards die the zone become PvP... but in that case you can be sure that some zone will always be in PvP mode and this is not what you want, right?

Or zone protected by default and players can increase the guards and if guards died then PvP mode in the zone. But this is really far away from the initial proposal goal (cause the goal is not to put the game in PvP mode otherwise we would have ask for full tag).

I was simply offering an idea to justify the concept.  I didn't claim it was a "good idea".

((As for bribes... there are always corrupt homins.))

No problem, I was just explaining why I think Kimyh's proposal is not a good idea. And why bribes will not match RP players will and will mess up the actual GP but maybe I am wrong.

Qu'est ce qui déplait dans l'idée de simplement payer non pas pour avoir une protection contre le pvp mais juste plus de gardes dans la cité (en laissant le pvp optionnel). ça reste logique dans l'optique RP (on paie pour avoir plus de garde), tout en laissant tranquille ceux qui ne veulent jamais pvp (sans avoir à payer pour ça) et qui en plus se foutent du rp (car ceux qui n'aiment pas pvp mais qui sont rp je pense pas que ça les dérangera, vu que cette proposition de syron rajoute du rp).

En gros, faut pouvoir contenter:

les pvp/rp
les rp
les non pvp/non rp (chose que ne permet pas la proposition originale).

(et les pvp/non rp à la rigueur)

PS: après j'avoue me faire l'avocat du diable. Je serai ravis si cette proposition était mise en place.

hm... question peut etre bete mais...
si, au lieu d'obliger le pvp (meme si l'idée de fond me plait assez) on donnerai des recompenses aux pvpistes, je parle d'autres recompenses que celles qui existent deja (robes, boubou, cristaux) je ne sais pas, un casque marau boost, ou une pique Vedice+tekorn, ou des items d'op, je dis des idées en vrac (ne me tapez pas, je dis au pif ^^).
sur fond d'event pvp, je pense que chacun s'y remettrait, les joueurs ont besoin d'un event pour jouer le jeu! sinon ils s'enracine dans un confort quotidien. mais si, à la clés d'un certain score pvp, ils peuvent aller ouvrir un coffre caché je ne sais où... et recupérer "une récompense" je pense qu'il y aurait + de pvp...

Faudrait lancer un autre sujet pour ça alors Jazzou ^^

Do I understand it right - more rewards for more pvp kills? I am just asking, because time to time some cowards harvest free pvp points on killing me. Best from behind while unarmed and afk :P I dont see any reason to get anything for that.

@Azazor +1 on some point we need to think about everyone.

@Moniq, I think rewarding PvP as he is right now is not a very good thing, it will encourage bad behavior indeed.

@Jazzy c'est une bonne idée et cela pourrait relancer un peu le PvP, mais il y aura toujours des gens pour dire non car ils ne voudront pas pvp donc ils n'auront pas accès aux récompenses, donc ça va râler encore et encore.