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#16 Eingetragen von Loved vor 7 Jahren [en]

Alrik

Hi,

the idea is so far OK but IMHO the toxication affects not only the airways; for me it has also a netagive impact on skin and the whole organism. And what about the explosions? A mask wont help, or?

On the other hand I cannot agree at all, because of power-digging without the poisining or explosion effect.

So far my few cents.
Alrik

I think the current gas-mask and even explosion-proof power digging method is long since in existence. it's called A) ALT or B) girlfriend :P

In seriousness, If I wanted I'd just do what so many others did, alt it. If not, I'd just die and dig it off. Saying not to an idea just because it "could" be used to make something easier is quite disappointing

The idea is proposed with "this idea + proper balance"
Yet people still say no to that
This is why we can't have nice things...

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#17 Eingetragen von Nudge vor 7 Jahren [en]

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I understand the why and why not's.

Do homins have hands?
Do homins have noses?
Would it be instinctual for homins to cover their noses at bad smells?
Finally, from the lore perspective, are homins intellectually stunted?

That is, are the homins lack the intellectual capacity to come up with new things?

That is what we are implying by not "inventing" new things.

If we are afraid of making it easier with gas masks, than build something into the invention or use or disposal or creation, or or that makes it only slightly advantageous.

Maybe it is not a gas mask but a special tiara with malus, have to be sap charged/uses sap heavily, requires very special items to craft, wears out fast.

Let's not make homins idiots.

:D

#18 Eingetragen von Moniq vor 7 Jahren [en]

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Nudge

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Do homins have hands?
Do homins have noses?
Would it be instinctual for homins to cover their noses at bad smells?
Finally, from the lore perspective, are homins intellectually stunted?

That is, are the homins lack the intellectual capacity to come up with new things?

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Let's not make homins idiots.

This is dangerous argumentation, because it can cover anything you can imagine OCC. Remember that homins are not humans and the "homin evolution in time" was not as same as humans'.

Ok, lets think in roleplay. Are homins thinking the way you (human) do? What are their goals and visions? Where are those inventors who should invent things? Is it you?

If anything, by all fights around I think its more possible that homins will invent new weapons more than gas masks :(

#19 Eingetragen von Loved vor 7 Jahren [en]

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I quite enjoy digging and I'd prefer to invent a gas mask than enslave a permanent heal-homin,

I'm sure that's not just me
A lot of us are primary diggers/crafters

You might hear and see more fights but a lot of the quieter populous does dig

In any case my point again is, something new with community acceptable balance should be considered and not simply rejected assuming it would be exploitable

Anything new can be explotiable if planned badly
Ideas aren't being suggested in a "plan this badly" setting

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#20 Eingetragen von Moniq vor 7 Jahren [en]

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Well, if homins realize that they need something like a mask, maybe its time to start a research group to research the problem more closely and design that mask?

#21 Eingetragen von Sinvaders vor 7 Jahren [en]

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"I quite enjoy digging and I'd prefer to invent a gas mask than enslave a permanent heal-homin,"

Most of the people use an alt for this (just look at the only concern people had when the F2P has been released...), if it can reduce the amount of alt in game... then why not (like, no body can heal your source if you are wearing a gas mask or something).

#22 Eingetragen von Moniq vor 7 Jahren [en]

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Sinvaders

"I quite enjoy digging and I'd prefer to invent a gas mask than enslave a permanent heal-homin,"

Most of the people use an alt for this (just look at the only concern people had when the F2P has been released...), if it can reduce the amount of alt in game... then why not (like, no body can heal your source if you are wearing a gas mask or something).

I dont think this will help reduce "dummy" alts. People will simply not use mask and continue using alts.

Btw, from last 3 calls for CP I found someone only once.... Sometimes I am thinking if it has any meaning to even ask and wait. Load alt is easier and faster and always available and instead of waiting i can dig.

#23 Eingetragen von Sinvaders vor 7 Jahren [en]

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You can also dig without alt, just say'in :)

#24 Eingetragen von Nudge vor 7 Jahren [en]

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Hmmm... Sentience is not human thinking (other than we are scientifically not aware of other sentient beings).
The very essence of sentience is taking advantage of abstract concepts to self protect, grow and prosper.

Maybe it is not gas masks that they invent, but some other spell that creates a strong wind, or a protective field, or a piece of jewelry that negates some part of the poison.

Either way, developing new concepts within Atys should be the goal.
After all, crafting, and creating things is currently the largest piece, isn't it?

Maybe rethinking how the software mechanics work is in order.

But, I digress.

Moniq

Nudge
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Do homins have hands?
Do homins have noses?
Would it be instinctual for homins to cover their noses at bad smells?
Finally, from the lore perspective, are homins intellectually stunted?

That is, are the homins lack the intellectual capacity to come up with new things?

...

Let's not make homins idiots.

This is dangerous argumentation, because it can cover anything you can imagine OCC. Remember that homins are not humans and the "homin evolution in time" was not as same as humans'.

Ok, lets think in roleplay. Are homins thinking the way you (human) do? What are their goals and visions? Where are those inventors who should invent things? Is it you?

If anything, by all fights around I think its more possible that homins will invent new weapons more than gas masks :(

#25 Eingetragen von Bitttymacod vor 7 Jahren [en]

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Nudge -- we know of *lots* of sentient species here on Earth, just not any as *intelligent* as we are (as far as we can tell). Sentience mostly consists of the awareness of "self" and "other". It is the lowest level of cognition. It moves up from there to simple problem solving, primitive communication, warning communication, recognition of specific "other" beings, etc. (not necessarily in that order).

Speaking OOC (of course) homins seem to be intelligent, but limited in their worldview. The Matis experiments with plants, for instance, or the Tryker's implementation of experiments to use Flyners for lift or make potions that do something besides go BOOM! (or to make things that deliberately go BOOM!) seem to be driven by cultural imperatives and expediency more than by careful and systematic analysis. It is also limited by the materials at hand.

My feeling is that the technology is at about the early medieval level (pre-Industrial Revolution). Medieval humans were no stupider than we are today, they were just limited by their worldview and available technology.

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#26 Eingetragen von Salazar vor 7 Jahren [en]

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Actually, instead of enslaving, you could hire a healer. Most likely you have a pretty healthy income. In my youth, being hired was the only income I had - and the only way to learn the occupation.

2 mal geändert | Zuletzt geändert von Salazar (vor 7 Jahren)

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Gas mask for foraging, reduce gas damage