IDEEN FÜR RYZOM

Et pour le roi, nos ennemies tombent devant nos yeux tu pense qu'on va attendre sagement qu'ils reviennent le tuer?
Arrête mec :) Tu parle pour rien la..

Désolé d'avoir si mal réagi.
Devant tant de bonne foi je ne peux que me taire

Vous êtes mort parce que vous étiez trop faible/mal organisés. Voilà pourquoi je te demandais de passer par message privé car ça n'a pas grand chose à voir avec le sujet.

Déjà il n'y avait que Linaria quand nous avons commencé crachtakin, elle nous a pullé "sans le faire exprès" par deux fois des moobs ( kipu et kiro ) puis la garde et c'est sans le faire exprès qu'elle est passée par deux fois juste au milieu des mages....

et sans doute sans le faire exprès les membres de sa guilde sont arrivés....on se demande bien pourquoi...manger mes cookies ?

vous n'avez non plus pas fait exprès de partir avec le cutler destructeur qui fait partit de la garde pour le tuer et le temps qu'on vous regarde faire comme des c... à essayer de comprendre à quoi vous jouiez évidement on s'est pris le repop de torbak, mais vous avez raison on est une guilde de noobs...

pour en revenir au sujet de ce post, comme la plupart des Rangers je suis contre une zone PVP de plus, pour une faction pacifiste ça veut dire ne plus faire de rois et au vu de votre type de jeu vous n'avez pas besoin de zone PVP pour arriver à vos fin....

quant à m'expliquer en tell c'est déjà fait avec Linaria et vu son cynisme elle est maintenant en BL.

dsl d'avoir pollué ce post si important à vos yeux et je vous conseille à l'avenir de ne pas trop agir comme hier soir même si c'est " sans le faire exprès "

Kiwa-Lie
cheffe du bois d'almati
aspirante Ranger
Compagnon Ranger auprès de la nation Tryker

Dernier conseil de noob :

quand on pull des moobs sans le faire exprès....on désagroo et on revient aider les joueurs qu'on a mis en difficulté....on fait pas venir ses potes pour...ha oui ! manger des cookies...

ça fait partit des règles de ryzom, mettez les en pratique...

Kiwalie
croqueuse de Cookies à plein temps

I won't interfere into descriptions about a boss fight I did not witness, though the "accidential appearance" of kitins when a team was fighting cratchakin's minibosses (kitins are a good way distant from cratchakin's spawn), and the subsequent takeover of the boss kill by the perpetrators, if I understood that correctly, simply stinks. It may have been accidential, anyway, and all behaviour conforming to the rules. Who knows.

But it shows quite well what is to expect when all boss fights would become PvP challenges. All practices, including the filthiest ones like dragging agro, attacking tagged teammates to render them unhealable for non tagged ones and other questionable methods would become perfectly legal, with boss hunts degrading into brawls and sneaky assaults excluding everybody who does not practise PvP, or at least prefers fair fights. It would also destroy opportunities for experienced players to attack high level bosses in small teams, as numerically superior brawlers would overwhelm them in their already risky fight.

So this confirms my conviction that changing boss hunts into PvP fights is a bad idea, broken by design. On Leanon, we had a convention (sort of community agreement, not completely binding but followed by almost everybody) that a boss "belonged" to that one who detected it, granting the right to form a team, for 20-30 minutes approximately. That allowed even young players, if sufficiently curious and daring, to spot bosses, and to participate in the fight. I loved that.

Yeah... you won't but you did.
I'm sure of what I saw, they was in good health when I arrive, we waited then we had to kill a cuttler this was who didn't stay alive more than 20secondes, few minutes after the rangers died.
That's not our fault if they don't heal themself.

"attacking tagged teammates to render them unhealable for non tagged ones"
You are wrong.

"and other questionable methods would become perfectly legal"
RCC > III. Rules > 5 - PvP.

"broken by design"
Open your mind just a little.

I don't think turning boss spawn areas into pvp zones is a good idea at all. Daomei was right when she said there is a decent amount of pvp opportunities in the game, but not enough demand for it. You can't really force pvp down the throats of PVE players and expect this will create a healthy competitive atmosphere for the game. It won't solve the lack of pvp issue.

The only thing I disagree with is this:

Attacking tagged players is not a filthy tactic at all. Tagged pvp is consensual. If you are a non-pvper and you have a tagged member in your team fighting a boss, that person is consenting to be attacked at any time, anywhere. It's her choice. Nothing wrong with that. If it bothers you, you could just ask her to untag during the boss fight.

Personally, I consider aggro dragging a perfectly valid tactic during pvp fights, specially if you're outnumbered during SN fights for example. But I understand it's against the CoC and frowned upon in PVE zones. Also it's pretty lame to do that in a pve zone anyways, since the offended party can't really fight back.

Riku,

I do not and will not comment on PvP between players practicing PvP, as it is not my business. Sometimes, I recognize bitterness and aggression among PvP players, despite their claim that PvP is harmonious, but again, that is what PvP players have to sort out. They should have fun, and as far as they have, I wholeheartedly wish them joy and fun.

So all my comments about PvP play have to be taken with a grain of salt. It is a view from outside.

Attacking tagged players is covered by the rules, no doubt. But when I take a tagged player into my mostly non tagged team, I risk that attackers disrupt my team by attacking those players. Usually, I would ask those players to untag in order to avoid disruptions. But as you know, this causes delays.

Under my opinion, intentionally attacking a tagged player in a mostly non tagged team during PvE activities is filthy, though not a breach of rules. And an attack at such player during boss fights is unsincere and unfair, under my opinion. Not that it touches me a lot, I usually do not need more than 4-5 participants in a boss fight (except Pei, Dante, Jukoo, and NPC bosses, of course).

But interference into a running boss fight is sort of griefing. And I do not see many ways to improve that. I even have negative feelings towards such practices in LoU and Nexus.

A pvp player attacking a tagged teammate does not render that teammate un-healable, that would only occur if the tagged teammate attacked another tagged player.

Why do you need more than 4 people to kill Jukoo ? Oo

It is somewhat complicated at Jukoo's place to prevail over intruding KP in a small team while fighting the boss. Sometimes, even two KP arrive.

Étant donné l'avis général même si le nombre est restreint, le tag n'étant pas une bonne idée, est-ce qu'un pop totalement aléatoire et/ou un roi en perpétuel mouvement avec sa garde a l'instar des nommés qui ont des circuits serait envisageable ?

Si certain se rappellent du premier post je parlais de pouvoir poutrer les campeurs.

Si ça pop de manière aléatoire ça pourra tuer des foreurs et des afk, on aura des pops en plein milieu de zone d'aggro ce qui compliquera les choses surtout pour les petites équipes.

Si le pop est aléatoire et que le roi se déplace avec ça garde, là aussi, ça tuera peut être des foreurs et des afks, mais on pourra attendre que le roi sorte des zones d'aggros lorsque ça arrivera.

Dans les deux cas, les méthodes de check devront être revus un poil et aucun spot précis ne pourra être campé.