Exploiting The Traders - Basar - Ryzom Community-Forum

#26 Eingetragen von Nehrie vor 9 Jahren [en]

You aren't doing anything but attacking me here Mariachia. Which is exactly what you did in PR that day when you invited me to leave the game because I pvp and you apparently think all pvpers should leave the game.

I believe maras are a clan. That makes a family. There is room for everyone in a family.

Crafters, diggers, meleers and magic users.

I don't distain everyone who doesn't pvp. But I also don't want to be invited to leave the game and be denied gear because I do.

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#27 Eingetragen von Marichia vor 9 Jahren [en]

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Nehrie

You aren't doing anything but attacking me here Mariachia. Which is exactly what you did in PR that day when you invited me to leave the game because I pvp and you apparently think all pvpers should leave the game.

I believe maras are a clan. That makes a family. There is room for everyone in a family.

Crafters, diggers, meleers and magic users.

I don't distain everyone who doesn't pvp. But I also don't want to be invited to leave the game and be denied gear because I do.

I didn't invite you to leave the game- after a long dissertation about how the game wasn't to your liking, you told me you were going to leave and I simply concurred that maybe you should. And you may think I don't pvp, but it shows again that you don't know what you are talking about.

And it seems you also forget the rant you had in uni where you espoused a very different opinion about crafter/diggers in the mara faction.

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#28 Eingetragen von Nehrie vor 9 Jahren [en]

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#29 Eingetragen von Marichia vor 9 Jahren [en]

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#30 Eingetragen von Nehrie vor 9 Jahren [en]

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#31 Eingetragen von Rook vor 9 Jahren [en]

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Sorry everyone, but this is seriously going off tracks. If you have things to tell each other, please use a /tell. That's better for everyone.

Thanks.

#32 Eingetragen von Tiximei vor 9 Jahren [en]

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We will sanction players using the mark-up exploit when selling items at the merchants and feel free to ticket cases you come across. I trust you to get the discussion back on track in an orderly fashion and without mud slinging. Have a nice and dirt free Atysmas!

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Tiximei
Senior Game Master
Ryzom Support Team

#33 Eingetragen von Nehrie vor 9 Jahren [en]

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Guess I'm a little slow.

Is there a bug that let's you charge more than 9999% for an item. Is that what a ticket will be wrote for?

Or are people going to be punished for buying any item and then reselling it?

Ex: I buy helmet for 100 dappers and resell for 200 dappers.

Would I be punished for that?

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The Clan

#34 Eingetragen von Placio vor 9 Jahren [en]

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Honestly, 20,000% markup doesn't seem that unethical at all. My sup HQ q250 amp with 96/97 in ele stats will only sell for about 170,000 dappers at 9999%. Most HQ q250 97%-ish+ amps should have a fair dapper value over 700,000 (about 41,000% markup)... Although the factor that limits the value of the resale most seems to be the low base prices calculated by the merchants.

#35 Eingetragen von Fateciy vor 9 Jahren Mehrsprachig

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Lacuna, I feel for you. to have someone capitalize on your work is bad enough, but to take advantage of both your crafting skills and an expliot is terrable.

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Fateciy
Gaurdian of the Kingdom
Guild Leader of Spears of Eora

#36 Eingetragen von Nehrie vor 9 Jahren [en]

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Is it against the rules to buy an item then to resell it?

It sounds like a good way to make money to me. The crafter gets the price they asked for and the middle man makes some money.

Why is that bad?

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The Clan

#37 Eingetragen von Placio vor 9 Jahren [en]

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The crafter puts items in resale to be sold to other players, the obvious intent is that the purchaser will use or gift the item to a player that will use it. So the items have already been priced at what the crafter deems a fair price. Purchasing and then reselling others crafts at a higher markup can price these items out of reach for the intended consumer, which may violate the second rule regarding in-game courtesy- "You may not hinder another player during his play." I don't claim that this is the view held by any WG official, and I've never heard of a ban from reselling others crafts. Although I have heard if toon consistently does this on Silan they will be spoken to, I assume since it is a much smaller market.

So I would say it is wrong because it manipulates the market prices at the expense of the intended consumers.

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#38 Eingetragen von Mjollren vor 9 Jahren [en]

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Guys (and gals), you are discussing scalping. Please don't rehash a decade-old debate.

Some see its advantages (market arbitration), some see its disadvantages, there's hardly any chance to change each other's minds. If the game company wants to forbid the practice, it's fairly easy to do it.

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#39 Eingetragen von Placio vor 9 Jahren [en]

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I thought that link was to a forum post where this was discussed MJ but it was not, so I don't see why I shouldn't answer a question someone asked.

Since I'm writing anyway, scalping is also unethical since you have not added any value to the item, therefore there is no justification for you to receive any profit.

#40 Eingetragen von Tiximei vor 9 Jahren [en]

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ok, here's the thing that's at the root of why lac's upset.

she crafts a nice item, sells it for say 5000% (just a number)
the limit is 9999% (without exploit)
this person is reselling her stuff with exploited price of 20000%

if your a new player with no idea about stats, that new player might think because of the high price many things:
that's a normal "high" price
it's the most expensive so that's got to be the very best

the player selling it is taking advantage of younger unknowing players. (remember your dedicated to helping new players, so this fact should really piss you off at the person doing the reselling, not lashing out at an upset crafter.)

there's so many sides here, but the root is that someone's using an exploit to take advantage of players with less understanding of ryzom's workings. if the person was selling them at the unexploited limit, then i would support your argument that lac got what she asked for and the other guy is just trying to turn a profit. (i don't practice things like that, seems like praying on the less knowing players of the game).

talk

This is the exploit in question and it cannot be done using normal ingame game mechanics. A different discussion all together is what should the initial price with 0% markup be.

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Tiximei
Senior Game Master
Ryzom Support Team