IDEEN FÜR RYZOM

Djaimse: While some of your post (the one before the last) was quite amusing, I think that you are missing the point and destroying the discussion by bringing in grievances due to post fusion development of roleplay.

Those worries should be reflected, considered, and solutions proposed, though, to be honest, I do not really see one, at the moment. It was clear that the different traditions of roleplay and gameplay in the three communities would lead to conflicts and clashes, but it would be good to get a bit more objectively and constructively over it.

As to the guilds matter, I see the problem in the rule that aligned guilds may include neutrals, which is not logical in my opinion. For me it is not much different from agnostics allowed to join churches. It does not follow. That marauders, technically, were counted neutrals til now, is a side aspect emphasizing that kind of illogic.

It would be better when neutral guilds were allowed to take everybody, aligned or not, together with neutrals, while aligned guilds could only take aligned ones. I do not see that a Kami believer must hate Karavan followers, or that a Fyros Patriot is obliged to hate Matis Vassals. Clearly, no believer or national is forbidden to do so, but I frown upon attempts to force manichaeic extremism onto everybody aligning herself to a nation or creed.

Btw, at least on Leanon and Ari, there have always been alliances between guilds of different creed or nation when the interest in controlling OPs made it necessary or advisable. There is not only one way to do roleplay and gameplay.

I am not sure if I understood you right, Djaimse, but I changed my posts to multilingual/EN in case you want to rely on automatic translation. Mind that Goo-Translate is in fact Goo, poor translation bound to misunderstanding.

To the rest: I disagree that the base of the game compells Kami followers to hate Karavaneers and vice versa, or Fyros to hate, attack, insult, humiliate Matis etc.

I had some player characters passing the Fyros, Matis, and Tryker rite (no Zorai so far), as well as some becoming Kamist or Karavaneer. Nowhere in the rites it was demanded that they hate other homins. Cultists are required to reject the opposite cult, and to proselytize among homins of different or neutral alignment. With constant hatred, quarrel, and confrontation, this will hardly be possible.

Much less is there a compulsion towards "racial" hatred. Trykers may become Zorai enlightened, Fyros Matis nobles, and Matis Akenak of the sharük to name a few. Nowhere in the nation rites a homin is obliged to hate homins of other countries.

I know that the Aniro community hat a lively roleplay based on very harsh confrontations between creeds and nations. I do not criticize that, but that was the past. Leanon had a basically pacifist roleplay, conflicts were carried out verbally (take Salazar and his pointed and highly intellectual polemics), not by bashing one another. RP was extremely lively, though, with lots of great events, and I miss it.

Ari was not that RP-intensive, according to my impressions (i peeked into all 3 servers at those times and eagerly read all forums, but surely i may missed a lot). Their dedication to the Lore was laxer, to my impression, and so was the impact of RP to everyday's gameplay (Ari players please correct me if I am wrong).

Now let us face the facts: Leanon was the smallest community, and Ari the largest, Aniro inbetween. We have to manage to reconcile our styles of gameplay and roleplay.

Believe me, that I fought desperately and often angrily to fend of prejudice, clashes and accusations in the year after the fusion in my former community, against "the French who always are dragging agro onto others" and other damned generalizations, often on the verge of frustration and the urge to leave, or at least bursting in tears not seldom. I did my best to help with translation and still do, and am still struggling to make us all one community, without destroying our traditions. Please understand that this is hard work, and will only succeed it we all work together.

I see the wish of members of the anglophone community, the largest of our three descendencies, to maintain their common gameplay, and roleplay, to be able to cooperate as homins inside the game, not only as RL persons behind the computer. I fail to see that dishonorable, spoiled. or too far fetched a wish. Much less I consider it immature or wanting to have everything . I know that justice and honor are values of my chosen homeland, not yours, but I think it could not harm to mind them, though.

I am not sure about the idea we are discussing, but I think that guilds homing homins of different alignments is not such a bad idea and will not disrupt the game. Thanks for listening.