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Disclaimer: this is about an idea, I'm not bashing nor targeting anyone, I only posted this to make a point.

I've seen it all over the place, it's a fact, don't try to deny it, but some if not most of Anglophones don't do Role Play. Meaning? they don't want to have enemies, they don't attack their opposite faction, they help each others.

I've seen it at season change, I've seen it at Pei - and it's fine, I'm not going to judge you, but here is the catch:

If you don't have enemies then what's the point of having supreme gear? Marauder armor?

You play with kamis/karas/marauders etc, you get your hands on the coolest armor and then what? by the time you got your cool armor.. you are friend with everybody on the server!

Luckily!

You have people that do role play, a few of them, not many, so you use your best armor and your best jewels and you feel so "badass" when you kill them, the threat is over! ... but when they are gone.... once your true enemy is gone... when what?



If you have an answer to this question, then this thread is not for you... be happy and enjoy Ryzom, I'm sure you'll find many ways to do this.



I repeat, please don't trash, troll and put me against the wall, or find loopholes in my thread, try to be productive and understand the angle of this thread... I'm just sad of the current state of events, from my perspective.

Thanks for reading.

P.S. I used "Arispotle disease" as a manifest because those who played on that server know that slowly we are making this server same as Arispotle, where is really hard to find people that do role play and the desire to win corrupts everybody.

Ok now for an reply that's a bit more constructive.

I'm assuming you actually meant THREAT here? Then what? There's the Kitin - the true enemies of all hominkind. Did you people learn nothing from the Second Swarm?!

Personally, I've played Ryzom from the days before PvP even existed; back when everyone helped each other. I guess that's where my 'affliction' comes from. I haven't let the introduction of PvP change the way I chose to play; I simply don't take part; that's my choice.

There's a lot more to Atys than 'cool' armour, than PvP, or PvE for that matter.

Look at the server. Who benefits the most from their playing style? Are full time set-in-their-ways roleplayers walking around in the best gear? If you want the best gear you have to be willing to make sacrifices for it.

If there is a boss. No kami are online. Do you leave the boss because you can't kill it? No that means kara/marauder get all the mats. Instead you ask kara people to help you. You kill the boss and get some mats. Some mats is better than no mats.

An enemy is only worth having if you can fight them. This occurs in pvp situations. This is when english people "roleplay". If you look at OP wars the factions are extremely set in stone. You rarely see kami fighting against kami (in a war where kami attack or defend).

Thanks for the correction, I meant threat :-)

Well, at least all of us can see karamis at SNs, kami fighting (and helping karas) against maras (at OP battles) etc.

To conclude, in the game are now 3 faction: neutrals, marauders and (the new whole faction) karamis. ;)

of course you completely missed the kamis that helped that the marauders (i believe one team didnt get kicked) and all the other teams that were kicked.

I guess there are 4 with kamaras

I answered to you about the 'kami vs kami' sentence and btw.. tell me, how many times happend to exist the kamaras faction ? and I will answer to you how many times existed karamis ;)

Yes I get it. Marauders love complaining that they don't have numbers. They also love complaining that other factions team up when the route of the problem is they refuse help when they clearly need it.

"dont cut your nose off to spite your face" no wonder why the marauders don't notice they are in dire need of showers ;)

I really don't want to be the one to bring this thread to a poo-flinging competition... But. But! (Heheh, I said butt)

People play the way they want to. I can see how this may seem a drag to some. However, if this server is turning into arispotle, well that means the people playing want it to. I'm not out for loopholes, I just don't understand what your intentions are, here, with this thread. I'll be in the bar if you need me. Having a heal war with all my billions of friends. Fine, maybe it'll only be me. I'll be having a laugh though.

Well I see post got changed to be alot less of an attack then it was at first.

There are lifelong friendships that started on the ari server dividing the game or forcing it to be pvp or anything won't change it . Forbidding ppl to talk to eachother won't either.

You ask for more pvp but if ppl don't like it they won't do it. Yes ppl strive for the best gear makes em feel good and special. If you buy a ferrari it doesn't mean you need to race everywhere and get speeding tickets all the time. Same with best gear it's not because you got the best that you wanna pvp all the time and loose time to do other stuff or ding it.

The best mats are in PVP zones so show that the pvp group in this game is best and biggest and make sure non-pvp players can't access them. OP's are PVP aswell attack them and take em with the big pvp group you should be better then a bunch of non-pvpers showing up to defend?

Really a post on the forums saying ppl have to do more pvp won't help.
Reason this game is changing in the ari ways of playing is maybe because most ppl love the laid back way of playing the game and not the agressive forced pvp way of aniro we keep hearing about.


ps. calling ppl a dissease and then saying i'm not here for trolling or attacking ppl just shows 'good' you are, attacking ppl then saying don't attack me back no idea how to call it but if i found the word tiximei would have work again. (atleast you cleaned your post a bit up)

There is a game called rust out now, which is great for people who want to pvp. I do enjoy a bit of it myself, although losing faith in humanity gets old. If you like pvp, you might want to check it out. Ryzom is a completely different game though.

This is meant as no offense to anyone, apart from maybe Lacuna. She will hopefully not notice though.

Edit: removed offensive language, please behave and follow CoC
Tiximei

Sorry, I didnt want to offend anyone, what I wanted to point out was that, why do we have factions in first place, if people dont live by their standards?

I dont whine nor cry about it, I just dont understand the reason behind factions if everybody is everybody.

I dont complain! we marauder are always outnumbered and most often we LOSE. I was just pointing out is that we are indeed a reason you get this gear, to have a reason to use it.

But as other people mentioned and I clearly stated that if you dont consider this a problem you shouldnt bother with this thread, there are other ways to play this game.

I have enemies in game as role play, I respect you and wish you all the best time in game as OCC.

Cheers.

Exodus you seem to be saying 'If you don't PvP, what's the point in having good gear?'  or maybe 'If you don't PvP, why bother?'

The fact that PvP is entirely optional is a unique feature of Ryzom.  For many that is why they came to this game.  I love the fact that you can team with any player of whatever civ or faction to defeat a common enemy.  And there are plenty of those.  For me and many others the enemy are the Kitin.  I - perhaps naively - believe in the brotherhood of all homins.  I know there are many players who disagree and that is fine.  There is room for all points of view in Ryzom.  Vive la difference!

for many factions are a source of small roleplay. Factions support each other in pvp.

As for factions supporting other factions in pvp (karamis and kamaras) I believe the game needs this a lot more. I hope marauders can work it into their roleplay to team up with karas. Clearly they are struggling to take on both kami and kara at the same time. Pick one and work with the other faction for the downfull. Once you have taken one down- stab the other in the back :)

It makes sense to do this to get on top. You dont have to like teaming with kara, but you can enjoy watching kami die because of it.

This will open up the game in an extreme way. 3 factions are a triangle. It destroys balance and this will create pvp, a thing which most marauders love!

What i disagree in the post of Exodus is the way he describe PvP and roleplay.

Calling Arispotle a "disease" is a real insult imho.

Most players there before merge, where all oldlies that started much before the Temple War and enjoyed the real thrill of atys: kitins.

But I remember a lot of OP battles in Arispotle, most of them pretty fun, done with very high numbers from both sides.
Same people that fought hard at Outposts, teamed at the same time together to fight the environment (well, with some exceptions. There were lot of dramas even in the peaceful Arispotle :) ).

So, what's the point, other than insulting Arispotle players? You can't force a specific way to play, to RP, or to PvP. This is the freedom of a sandbox.

What would you think would happens in real life, if one group was really annoying 2 other different groups?

Reality is that this is the result of your politics and your behaviour in game. That's full RP and you can only blame yourself if your actions turned your enemies to ally to fight you.

Anyway, if I want to be an hominist and I don't want to kill homins, yourself included, you cannot deprive me, or any other people, the goal to get some of the best stuff.

Personally i don't think the best stuff is needed in PvE at all. After the merge i never tried to regain any of the best stuff owned before the merge.
But why I could not wear a gold NPC armor (that's absolutely not a pvp stuff) if I don't do PvP? Reason? I love gold.

You are too restricted in your RP definition. This reminds me of all the people around the world that consider "sandbox" only games with ffa pvp and full loot. They are, of course, wrong: you can do what you want, with the sand in the box.

PS: You were afraid of this turning in a flame war. I think most of the answers here are reasonable good answers to your insult.