Suchen | Login Foren | Neue Einträge | letzten 24 Stunden

English
should camping be allowd, or should some change be made
yes
Atys: Alassea, Alric, Beepe, Bones, Camper, Feylin, Indigo, Kaetemi, Rollocks, Snarfster, Stitch, Sunmonkey, Tinial		 13 (4)
19.4%
no
Atys: Aikoon, Asmiye, Ataxie, Binarabi, Bucshotz, Cramer, Elikwasa, Elvanae, Evilar, Exodus, Feylin, Grasswind, Irfidel, Lacuna, Lightweight, Loirinha, Lumidragon, Ratastantan, Rikutatis, Shvet, Slorforn, Stitch, Suboxide, Tantalos, Tegus, Thahuliga, Veg, Victoriacamper, Zehrix, Zhoi, Zilon		 31 (4)
46.3%
Andere
Atys: Aleeskandaro, Alric, Anzhanto, Arfur, Astarth, Bambamseven, Bitttymacod, Casy, Feylin, Fishgod, Hayt, Ishamael, Jarnys, Kalean, Laofa, Lilsis, Meagon, Ruhen, Stitch, Tantalos, Thahuliga, Victoriacamper, Yuritau		 23
34.3%
Sich enthalten 11
uiWebPrevious12345678uiWebNext

#49 Eingetragen von Daomei vor 1 Jahrzehnt [de] 

{translate}
Elvanae (atys)
I require some clarity on two points first:
Bit more politeness would not be bad. I shall respond anyway
Elvanae (atys)
1. Are you telling me directly that my post incites hatred and resentment?
No. I addressed you about the point of naivety.
Elvanae (atys)
2. Do you want to permit players to make alts who camp spots whilst they themselves carry on doing other activities. (Thus far, I have noted you sit on the fence about it and prefer to nitpick and focus on other issues.)
I am not a CSR and have not to allow. But I understand well that the CSR are not fond of policing any pettiness.
And I have clearly told that I do not condone camping. I have stated repeatedly that I do not see the swarms of alts camping at boss locations. About that I receive excuses and distractions instead of facts and data.

When a player has further accounts camping boss spots I clearly frown upon. If it were a proven mass phenomenon the CSR might think about the rules. So far I fail to see any indication for. A few players have, admittedly by themselves, camped tree spots with their main and subbed alt. One may dislike that, but taking actions for would be largely overblown. All else is mere speculation.

As to the rest: I have not voted in this poll as it is inconclusive, and so haven't many. I see here largely a campaign of a group of buddies blowing up the issue and in addition a few who were spouting slander and violating forum rules to an extent that some threads got wiped. And that was what I was addressing with hatred and resentment.

You have your opinion, voiced and echoed by a not really large group, and I have mine, some others may have a different one. And the CSR and dev may have their own, in your words: like it or not.

---

Daomei die Streunerin - religionsneutral, zivilisationsneutral, gildenneutral

#50 Eingetragen von Elvanae vor 1 Jahrzehnt [en] 

{translate}
Politeness goes both ways.
Since you saw fit to respond to my original post with a paragraph including:

" love the game and hate cheating and unfairness. And that is the base one should work along, not starting blame games and pillory, inciting hatred and resentment, and splitting along guild or alliance lines."

You therefore aimed it at me, with my name proceeding, and if you did not, then maybe structuring your post better would not have lead me towards the impression that you see fit to place yourself in the moral high ground and direct it to me specifically.

I did not say you are naive at all, where did you see this from? I'm sorry but it you response doesn't properly make sense to me... but never mind). I stated an obvious point of what the reality of the situation is, whether you know it to be so or not and for others who may also not regard what I pointed out as very important to the issue of camping and linked to it in terms of supply and demand.

And further, if you state that you require "facts and data" I would have thought that you would have welcomed a suggestion to name and shame and therefore screenshot the alts together with those responsible for using them.

Anyways, your last sentence is precisely what I was saying in my previous post. Although you regard it as 'not real large group' when it is in fact a majority view. Let's not play on the definitions of words now.

---

#51 Eingetragen von Daomei vor 1 Jahrzehnt [en] 

{translate}
Your accusation is and was absurd and paranoic. It was clear that I addressed your assertion that expecting and searching for a consensus among the playerhood were naive and working only in an ideal world. I did in no way blame you in particular for anything else you interpreted in what I wrote. I advocated that all should work along consensual guidelines instead of vilifying one another with the expectable consequences of split, resentment, even hatred. That was in no way directed against a single player but indicated the alternative to working together.

I "therefore" aimed at nobody in particular. Learn to read. And
Elvanae
That's quite an ideal world you are preaching.
is not calling me naive? What else? And you blamed me to be "preaching", so much about initial politeness.

As to the facts and data, I would like to see some. Where are the alts and their mains at the boss spawns I am passing every day? Where were the campers when I spotted bosses?

Btw. I do not know the poll result and who voted for A or B and who for not (A or B), and do not see one. I read a lot of postings here and not at all a waste majority confirming the alleged camping epidemic. And I know that few active players I asked are even aware of this thread.

Maybe you convince the CSR to change rules or the devs to program something. I hope they will address real problems and more urgent changes instead.

---

Daomei die Streunerin - religionsneutral, zivilisationsneutral, gildenneutral

#52 Eingetragen von Cidreuppercut vor 1 Jahrzehnt [en] 

{translate}
no option for MEGA ZOANNS! im disappointed :o}

#53 Eingetragen von Virg vor 1 Jahrzehnt [en] 

{translate}
Tell us of these urgent changes daomei. You talking about how mektoub killing was bad then went ever so silent when i asked you why..

---


________________________

Guild Leader of Syndicate
________________________



Facebook
Syndicate's Page (Shuriiken here)
A glimpse into Virg's life
Thug life

I belong to the warrior in whom the old ways have joined the new
NB: Void respawn is where you can find the PVP, also willing to give lessons :)

#54 Eingetragen von Binarabi vor 1 Jahrzehnt [en] 

{translate}
Please ignore ***'s baiting, we will gather the thoughts of as many homins as we can through the channels of Kami/Karavan and civic meetings
Will those who belong to particular civilisations please bring up the subect of boss camping and gether the thoughts and feelings of as many homins as we can
You cannot "win" an arguement with certain homins so need to ask "What do I want my outcome to be?" and it will not include any homins in it

---

Binarabi
This idea of "I'm offended". Well I've got news for you. I'm offended by a lot of things too. Where do I send my list? Life is offensive. You know what I mean? Just get in touch with your outer adult. (Bill Hicks)

#55 Eingetragen von Daomei vor 1 Jahrzehnt [en] 

{translate}
Don't know whom you meant with the ***, but I second your proposal, and particularly welcome to ask Kami and Karavan, all guilds and nations. Those who feel so pressed by camping should learn others' views about. This discussion is running in circles

---

Daomei die Streunerin - religionsneutral, zivilisationsneutral, gildenneutral

#56 Eingetragen von Virg vor 1 Jahrzehnt [en] 

{translate}
Assuming she meant you. Everyone knows your views Daomei- it is to attempt to windup others and shove your view point down other peoples throats whilst completely ignoring what they have to say.

and you still once again havent answered my question. I can only assume you have no answer.

Zuletzt geändert von Virg (vor 1 Jahrzehnt)

---


________________________

Guild Leader of Syndicate
________________________



Facebook
Syndicate's Page (Shuriiken here)
A glimpse into Virg's life
Thug life

I belong to the warrior in whom the old ways have joined the new
NB: Void respawn is where you can find the PVP, also willing to give lessons :)

#57 Eingetragen von Avvy vor 1 Jahrzehnt [en] 

{translate}
Virg (atys)
Tell us of these urgent changes daomei. You talking about how mektoub killing was bad then went ever so silent when i asked you why..

From what I understood earlier, I get the feeling Daomei doesn't really care about the issues as such, but cares more about the effect the issues have on the community.

If I understood that right or not is another matter.

#58 Eingetragen von Virg vor 1 Jahrzehnt [en] 

{translate}
I have seen no one with a gassed mektoub asking for it to be banned on the forums. If it was having such a major impact then people would- like they have with camping.

---


________________________

Guild Leader of Syndicate
________________________



Facebook
Syndicate's Page (Shuriiken here)
A glimpse into Virg's life
Thug life

I belong to the warrior in whom the old ways have joined the new
NB: Void respawn is where you can find the PVP, also willing to give lessons :)

#59 Eingetragen von Elvanae vor 1 Jahrzehnt [en] 

{translate}
Daomei (atys)
Your accusation is and was absurd and paranoic. It was clear that I addressed your assertion that expecting and searching for a consensus among the playerhood were naive and working only in an ideal world.

I did in no way blame you in particular for anything else you interpreted in what I wrote. I advocated that all should work along consensual guidelines instead of vilifying one another with the expectable consequences of split, resentment, even hatred. That was in no way directed against a single player but indicated the alternative to working together.

I "therefore" aimed at nobody in particular. Learn to read. And
Elvanae
That's quite an ideal world you are preaching.
is not calling me naive? What else? And you blamed me to be "preaching", so much about initial politeness.

As to the facts and data, I would like to see some. Where are the alts and their mains at the boss spawns I am passing every day? Where were the campers when I spotted bosses?

Btw. I do not know the poll result and who voted for A or B and who for not (A or B), and do not see one. I read a lot of postings here and not at all a waste majority confirming the alleged camping epidemic. And I know that few active players I asked are even aware of this thread.

Maybe you convince the CSR to change rules or the devs to program something. I hope they will address real problems and more urgent changes instead.

Daomei, someone told me that you posted a response to me.

So I came on to post one back.

But I can't read.
Daomei (atys)
Learn to read.

I would learn to read :( but I was told I am absurd and paranoid...

I hope I can find someone to read this post for me so I may write a response because I don't think I will be able to sleep tonight.

---

#60 Eingetragen von Daomei vor 1 Jahrzehnt [de] 

{translate}
Elvanae (atys)
But I can't read.
..
I would learn to read :( but I was told I am absurd and paranoid...
Well, thanks to having proven my point. I write one thing, and you read a very different one.

I have written:
Daomei (atys)
Your accusation is and was absurd and paranoic
You read:
Elvanae (atys)
I am absurd and paranoid

If somebody tells you that your argument does not hold water you'll blame her that she accused you do not hold water, i.e. to pee in your pants.

Communication is really hard that way.

---

Daomei die Streunerin - religionsneutral, zivilisationsneutral, gildenneutral

#61 Eingetragen von Mjollren vor 1 Jahrzehnt [en] 

{translate}
Alright, I'll be the carebear here and say that an accusation against someone's reasoning reflects on their reasoning skills, and they *could* legitimately infer an attack on their person.

In any case, the last few posts have little to do with the topic :)

---

#62 Eingetragen von Elvanae vor 1 Jahrzehnt [en] 

{translate}
Daomei (atys)
Your accusation is and was absurd and paranoic.

Very unnecessary... I do not feel I was unreasonable, illogical nor inappropriate in my posts.
Certainly not paranoid...
Daomei (atys)
It was clear

err... no not really... not to me at least...
Daomei (atys)
that I addressed your assertion that expecting and searching for a consensus among the playerhood were naive and working only in an ideal world. I did in no way blame you in particular for anything else you interpreted in what I wrote.

Never said you did blame me...
Daomei (atys)
I advocated that all should work along consensual guidelines instead of vilifying one another with the expectable consequences of split, resentment, even hatred.
Fully agree... what nice homin wouldn't?
Daomei (atys)
That was in no way directed against a single player but indicated the alternative to working together. I "therefore" aimed at nobody in particular.

Well..... that's how I took it. Thanks for clearing that up.
Daomei (atys)
Learn to read. And
Its amazing... It just came to me like a miracle and I suddenly could read these scrawny lines on my lappy screen... but still I hope I can one day learn to read minds... and we would have avoided this :/

Daomei (atys)
Elvanae
That's quite an ideal world you are preaching.
is not calling me naive? What else? And you blamed me to be "preaching", so much about initial politeness.

I apologise for you interpreting my post as calling you naive. I didn't directly use the word so I can only make clear that was not my intention.
Daomei (atys)
As to the facts and data, I would like to see some. Where are the alts and their mains at the boss spawns I am passing every day? Where were the campers when I spotted bosses?

I don't know, I wasn't there when you spotted bosses nor when you pass spawns every day. You don't invite me *weeps*.
Daomei (atys)
Btw. I do not know the poll result and who voted for A or B and who for not (A or B), and do not see one. I read a lot of postings here and not at all a waste majority confirming the alleged camping epidemic. And I know that few active players I asked are even aware of this thread.

The poll is actually at the top of every page :)
Maybe, as a clearly avid forum poster, you might appreciate that more homins should join us in this wonderful world of forum posts, where homins can be free to express themselves without being called paranoid and absurd.
Daomei (atys)
Maybe you convince the CSR to change rules or the devs to program something. I hope they will address real problems and more urgent changes instead.

Well, I rememebr Sengosha came to my wedding pre-merger and Wrox once teleported me to the Marauder camp as a prison sentence but can't say I'm on any speaking terms with either enough to convince them.

I was under the impression the forums were like an election vote and so here I came...and now I'm off.

Oh I feel special... another post for me to read :)

Oh no... so I still can't read :( My life is over.

Yes communication is very hard when you don't now how to read, nor when you don't understand sarcasm...

Zuletzt geändert von Elvanae (vor 1 Jahrzehnt) | Grund: We are homins ... not homings! (damn auto spell check!!!!!) >:(

---

#63 Eingetragen von Elvanae vor 1 Jahrzehnt [en] 

{translate}
Mjollren (atys)
Alright, I'll be the carebear here and say that an accusation against someone's reasoning reflects on their reasoning skills, and they *could* legitimately infer an attack on their person.

In any case, the last few posts have little to do with the topic :)

This is why I rarely post in forums. Its words on a page. You interpret the way you want/think the other said it.

I had thought with the lovely community of Ryzom it wouldn't be so 'in your face' as to be told you cannot read i.e. interpret properly but o well.

Yes Mjollren - I apologise to everyone, this has nothing to do with the topic. Lets resume discussion on the matter at hand shall we? :)

---

uiWebPrevious12345678uiWebNext
  

Dieser Thread ist geschlossen.

Last visit Samstag 23 November 05:14:05 UTC
P_:G_:PLAYER

powered by ryzom-api