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#76 Report | Quote[fr] 

Ulukyn

4 - [TO BE COMPLETED] Addition of an information "Where is... ?", allowing players to know where a mission NPC is at a given moment, including Patrolling or wandering NPC's.

Not in favor of this change. There's enough spoon-feeding in game. As it is, this encourages cooperative efforts by guild or group to "map" the wandering NPC locations each of which I would say average 4 separate locations, once known, it's not a big deal to find them. To me this is akin to a message board in each capital where one can do a "where is ?" for all named / bosses, exe / sup resource spots. The 'hunt" is part of what makes these missions enjoyable.

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#77 Report | Quote[en] 

Spoon-feeding would have been to point the NPC position directly in the compass. But it won't work like this.

What is planed is allowing you to talk to a NPC you meet, and ask him where is another. Something very IC.
The accuracy of the response will vary. But you'll be able to ask other NPCs on the way.
The more you get closer, the accurate the answers.

This might even be more efficient than BM, for wandering NPC or those who change place according to seasons.

#78 Report | Quote[en] 

Thank you for clarification, the above short note makes it sound completely different. The word of mouth solution should work nicely.

arc

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#79 Report | Quote[fr] 

I really like this! I know some will disagree, but I don't think running around, combing the entire zone for 20 minutes trying to find a bunch of wandering NPCs, all of it just because certain individuals are incapable of comprehending that shooting launchers at an OP war when a tribe is passing through is not the best idea, is everything but fun. And aren't games supposed to be fun? There's a difference between spoonfeeding and forcing the player to do arbitrary tasks. Being told the general direction and not the exact location is a great compromise.

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Luminatrix

Explorer, storyteller, universalist, fighter for freedom and equality.

"Without contraries, there is no progression" - William Blake

#80 Report | Quote[en] 

Luminatrix
combing the entire zone for 20 minutes trying to find a bunch of wandering NPCs, all of it just because certain individuals are incapable of comprehending that shooting launchers at an OP war when a tribe is passing through is not the best idea

I don't understand the correlation between those 2 points.
May my mathematics a bit rusty, can you explain?

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#81 Report | Quote[en] 

Revvy
Luminatrix
combing the entire zone for 20 minutes trying to find a bunch of wandering NPCs, all of it just because certain individuals are incapable of comprehending that shooting launchers at an OP war when a tribe is passing through is not the best idea

I don't understand the correlation between those 2 points.
May my mathematics a bit rusty, can you explain?

Imagine this scenario. You have barely enough fame with a tribe to be able to take Welcomer missions. An OP war happens, people shoot the tribe, tanking your fame by 20 points (yes, this has actually happened to me). Now you can't take Welcomer missions anymore and you are left with Scouts/Journeymen to raise your fame. But those guys tend to wander around a lot, so you have to look for them over the entire zone, unless you happen to know all of their spots (and BM doesn't have all the data, either). That, at least to me personally, is very annoying. Being able to cut down the search time by a bit sounds really nice.

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Luminatrix

Explorer, storyteller, universalist, fighter for freedom and equality.

"Without contraries, there is no progression" - William Blake

#82 Report | Quote[fr] 

There are certain facets of the game that are extremely troubling when first encountered, usually resulting in a forum post or uni complaint. For example, "hey this steenks, a javing stole my weapon." That concern lasts about 2 hours and then you play the game for 2, 5, .... 15 years and never again give a thought to a javing.

Same as in navigating throughout the jungle and forest mazes ... are we going to next demand signposts saying "Go this way" ? It's a puzzle, an easily solved puzzle. Just like recipes, just like mat locations, just like what mob is best to fight at my level.

Looking around for wandering NPCs is cake. Each NPC travels a route (well not all, some don't actually move). So as you start working tribe fame, most folks go about searching the Raum or BM sites and you will usually find at least one of them.

Let's say you want to chase fame with Hamazans of the Dead Seed and you can't go in the camp. You look at the Fame Tool in Bunny Tools Thread and see the patroller's name is "Hon Ma-Seng". Now if you were a Bunny, you could go to the Tribe Fame thread in the Guild Forum and see that this dude can be found a) located between words "Maiden" and "Grove" on map, b) North of Great Boulder Trade Post, c) East of Big Hand Border Post, d) North of Shai Sun Stronghold. That's it ... 4 possible locations.

How did they get in the thread ? What I do when working a tribe is make a macro similar to the ones everyone use to track bosses. Look up their names for wandering NPCs here:

https://app.ryzom.com/app_forum/index.php?page=post/view/177916

I dunno if Raum and BM have added the ones we found, we added about 30-40 names if I hadda guess.... the most recent adds are in blue. We have had a prize offering out for any new names for about 2+ years and so far no one has collected.

https://app.ryzom.com/app_forum/index.php?page=post/view/178790

Then create a target macro (see above link for sample) for all of them (2 - 4 usually) and make a circle around the region with compass at 250m looking for white dots and spamming the macro. Plant a flag or note the location when you find them. There will be occasions when they on walk-a-bout" traveling between locations but you should be able to target them w/ the macro easy enough.

Yes, like anything else in Ryzom, it's a challenge when 1st undertaken but like the 1st time you encountered any new boss, once you figure out the routine ... it's "easy as cake" ... "piece of pie". It's basically the same as the mek tour delivery missions, just running the circle of known locations ... or finding the embers to get the campfire skill. Once ya find the locations the 1st time, no bigga deal. I don't wanna play a game that provides a walk-thu for every challenge "to make it easy".

Remember grasshopper ... "it's not the destination, it's the journey". I don't play the game "to get the rewards", I play it to face and overcome challenges and exercise my noodle.

It also provides for group cooperative efforts as you can team with guild members, friends or faction to gather up and record locations ... I find this a bit more fun than solo efforts but the choice is yours.

As far as the Launcher thing ... well one, if ya concerned about a nearby tribe, you don't have to participate, two, your team / league is responsible for what happens to your fame.

What happened to you w/ the launchers is certainly an isolated case. First time in 15 years of play I have seen this mentioned.

I would also note that the 11st thing I did w/ Tribe Fame was earn my "Spirit of Sally Field Title" ... getting every tribe to allow me in their camp (Fame > -50.01). I did it between other activities and I can soy no one region took more than a week. I did this several ways:

a) as described above.
b) some wandering mission givers hang just outside the camp
c) Run inside the camp and take missions when permitted burning MPA, INV and SH, death port to TP, do the missions and return repeating the process ... of bring a friend to rez you. Again, you might fail 1st time but the thing is, once ya learn the ropes, this is easy also:

1. Throw a single heal or whatever ya can so that dead guy doesn't stand up.

2. Then thro a double max heal and dead guy should have decent amount of HP now. Do not heal a standing toon or they chase you.

3. The toon should be able to run a bit away from camp after the rez. Rinse and repeat ... usually 2 tries sometimes 3 will get ya clear.

So yeah, when ya 1st start, it's frustrating and perplexing. Embrace the challenge, like everything else figure it out and it becomes routine and easy.

Edited 3 times | Last edited by Fyrosfreddy (4 weeks ago)

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