Refused

We had a late night Uni talk similar to this... Who provides the ressurection at respawn points not connected to any cult? like portals, etc.. My proposal was that there are natural Atys respawns but the system has been copied/hijacked by higher powers to artificially create more spawn/teleport locations.

Placio

We had a late night Uni talk similar to this... Who provides the ressurection at respawn points not connected to any cult? like portals, etc.. My proposal was that there are natural Atys respawns but the system has been copied/hijacked by higher powers to artificially create more spawn/teleport locations.

No, it's still the high powers. And they resurrect every homin because they need them. That's it.

Is there any proof of it being this way besides "it's true because I said it's true"? I've read most of the existing lore and I don't remember any.

Luminatrix

Is there any proof of it being this way besides "it's true because I said it's true"? I've read most of the existing lore and I don't remember any.

Yes, the Lore slash/ Lore Team.


Since you are marauder i think, you may want to ask them who's resurrecting marauder, you may be surprised to keep fighting Kami for example :P

Obviously, Homins do not have access to this information.

About Horongi's (which is composed of Marung and Nung)

If you want more detail here:
Nung Horongi
Marung Horongi
Tribe of the Witherings and Goo
ROLEPLAY - Dossier: Marung Horongi
Amber Cube of Nung Horongi

No. It's really always the high powers who is resurrecting homins.
Players characters can think it's not the high powers etc.... but the truth is what I say: always the high powers and they why they are doing it is because they need homins regardless of their alignment.
Maybe in the ranger background their is a corner case too. (as said previously Horongi's have been able to resurrect without the powers help ... but no-one else and this powerfull ability is NOT playable by players.)

I wouldn't go back to being Kami even if I found out they were the ones who resurrect me, however, as I had my reasons to leave the faction when I did, but that's a discussion for another time.

Of course, that does not mean that those higher powers are necessarily Jena and Ma'Duk; those two may simply be fictions invented in order to manipulate Homins more readily, or for homins to "understand" the inconceivable aspects of reality. After all, what is religion if not an attempt to make sense of the incomprehensible? In fact, what I've read of the Horongis, either Jena and Ma'Duk are merely masks of the true higher power(s), or there are no higher powers and we merely use them as a framework by which to explain the universe because our science does not (yet) have a way to explain it without allegory.

I know that some may say that such folks are actually Neutral and thus have no business ever aligning, but that's rather shortsighted. There are plenty of humans who were born and raised into a faith they no longer truly believe yet cannot break out of the only paradigm they have ever known; why should homins be any different, especially PC homins controlled by human players? Why not have an Atysian equivalent of Unitarian Universalism or Congregationalism?

Now the problem nowadays is, you are entering a faction for the teleportation system it do provide.
You don't take part in the conflict, nor wish to do so.

You should read the Bible then, if you already did read the Lore and you end up with this sort of idea.

Imagination is good :)
But when it is written black on white by the author(s) you cannot deny it forever

Overall reading the rest, i really think you guys are mixing (voluntary?), the actual design of the game (gameplay for convenience to have fun) with the gameplay supported by the lore and the roleplay injected in game by players.

Not to mention all these massive in real life comparison about everything related to this game, Ryzom..
It is not only you Gidget, even if i use your post to talk about it.

To be back on the (closed) topics.

You want it or not, Kami and Karavan power's are not friends, and so the Homins following them.
Same goes for the resurrection gameplay mechanics which is Lore supported/driven (you can't play Nung, its a myth a legend)

The restriction for guild is purely gameplay based, it is to guide players into different paths (the nationalist, the religious.. etc), it is an engine to the game mechanics where you can choose a side white or black or blue, and play against each others to have fun OOC and to drive the story a step further IC.

In case you do not want to be part of any conflict, you may want to stay neutral in game, but you will have limitation with players that did the choice to take part in a conflict (aka been kami, kara, mara, whatevera).

Now the problem nowadays is, you are entering a faction for the teleportation system it do provide.
You don't take part in the conflict, nor wish to do so.

So you are surprised and don't understand why you cannot play with your best friend forever from Karavan when you are in a Kami guild.
And then naturally cry about freedom and liberty to do whatever you feel like because you pay the game like everyone.
Factions exist since the creation of the game, and the game is based on it.

You choose this game knowing what it is from start, that is also why this post is closed and refused.

Show me the Neutral 250/PR TPs then.

Revvy

To be back on the (closed) topics.

You want it or not, Kami and Karavan power's are not friends, and so the Homins following them.
Same goes for the resurrection gameplay mechanics which is Lore supported/driven (you can't play Nung, its a myth a legend)

Christianity and Islam are not exactly friends, though hostilities between them are not quite what they were during The Crusades. In fact, there have been many instances of them sharing common goals. For instance, any time a Christian does an act of charity, they are acting in accordance with one of the five pillars of Islam. To claim that Kami and Karavan can never follow that same path is, at best, immersion-breaking. And as for Nung being a myth and legend, the same could be said of many other prominent religious figures.

Revvy

The restriction for guild is purely gameplay based, it is to guide players into different paths (the nationalist, the religious.. etc), it is an engine to the game mechanics where you can choose a side white or black or blue, and play against each others to have fun OOC and to drive the story a step further IC.

In case you do not want to be part of any conflict, you may want to stay neutral in game, but you will have limitation with players that did the choice to take part in a conflict (aka been kami, kara, mara, whatevera).

Now the problem nowadays is, you are entering a faction for the teleportation system it do provide.
You don't take part in the conflict, nor wish to do so.

Show me the Neutral 250/PR TPs then. Being forced to choose a side because one is penalized for not doing so utterly ignores the definition of Neutral that many English-speakers know that it actually feels offensive. Likewise being barred from playing with those who chose a different different transit system to avoid the "Neutrality penalty" seems capriciously arbitrary.

Overall, the lack of neutral 250/PR TPs is the root cause of a lot of the problems here. There may be those who say that Neutrals deserve no 250/PR TPs because they were/are not in the conflict, but they'd be giving a large part of the Ryzom community a big middle finger for not sharing their view that factions are THE most important thing ever in the history of everything. That would in turn lead to... well, the sort of conflicts you and I have so often.

I know many folks who no longer come to these forums and/or have turned off Uni because disengaging from the community was the only way for Ryzom to remain playable. But keep on insulting the core personal beliefs of part of the player base. That will get folks to see things your way!