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#73 [en] 

After the Ranger rite I was told that Oflovak's road (where the rite is situated) is the only place where Rangers provide ressurection (there are special rescue ranger teams for that). High Powers have no altairs nor camps in that wild area. All other ressurection services are providided by High Powers only (generally, in all New Lands and in those parts of Old Lands that were (originally) open for homins by High Powers.

However, after respawn points were added to (some) Ranger pathway nodes, I heard the ressurection there is done by ?mysterous ?vortex somewhere ?on pathway ... ???

Last edited by Moniq (2 years ago)

#74 [fr] 

Vortex resurrection is provided by high powers as well.

#75 [en] 

Moniq
After the Ranger rite I was told that Oflovak's road (where the rite is situated) is the only place where Rangers provide ressurection (there are special rescue ranger teams for that). High Powers have no altairs nor camps in that wild area.

How can Homins resurrect by themselves ?

It is a bit easy in my opinion, Ranger should not have the technology to resurrect Homins, not even the energy for it.

To mention here, a resurrection implies a death, so no coma.
No healing, it is a destruction of the cells and reconstruction with post-traumatic result in some case.

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#76 [fr] 

To my knowledge (I don't know much about Ranger lore characters) only Marung/Nung Horongi have been able to resurrect without the help of the high powers.

#77 [en] 

I lack any information to most latest changes. So, does anyone know who provides ressurection on pathways? And who all could be able to? Sivanders is first I see speaking about, after long time. The only I know is from fragments of conversation or rumors. Rangers used to be source of news but there was no meeting for a long time.

Revvy
How can Homins resurrect by themselves ?

It is a bit easy in my opinion, Ranger should not have the technology to resurrect Homins, not even the energy for it.

We can discuss if Kami have technology to ressurect, however I know nothing about lifeseed care. I just tell how it was explained to me and I am unable to validate any of those information. The fact is that there are no High Powers nor Vortex on the Oflovak's road...

However this is off topic here, better to create other thread. (so please do not reply)

#78 [fr] 

But ike all things Ryzom (almost), ... allaraces, factions, jools, etc. the underlying precept is "no classes, no nerfs" ... Each choice you make has no "overall" downsisde. A Fyris toon has a natural resistence to one type of spell, each race is resistant to another in an equal amount. No enalties for making a choice. The Lore is fashioned differently to fit that precept.

The mara didn't have transport system ... so one was made ***and here's the important part*** lore created to make it "equal opportunity". Perhaps not perfect but that is the underlying goal. The differences make it interesting, but in the end , that underlying precept is no advanatges / no penalties when all is considered.


So if the lore isn't complying with that ... it's the lore that needs to be evolve to do so rather than the other way around ... unless of course other chnages are instituted to offset any advantage / disadvantage.

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#79 [en] 

We had a late night Uni talk similar to this... Who provides the ressurection at respawn points not connected to any cult? like portals, etc.. My proposal was that there are natural Atys respawns but the system has been copied/hijacked by higher powers to artificially create more spawn/teleport locations.

#80 [fr] 

I think the ressurrection is powered by the entity that processes our credit card payments and PayPal. If my toon dies ... for good ... I would not wanny to regrind all my dig skills :)

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#81 [en] 

Placio
We had a late night Uni talk similar to this... Who provides the ressurection at respawn points not connected to any cult? like portals, etc.. My proposal was that there are natural Atys respawns but the system has been copied/hijacked by higher powers to artificially create more spawn/teleport locations.

No, it's still the high powers. And they resurrect every homin because they need them. That's it.

#82 [en] 

#kamipropaganda

#83 [en] 

Sinvaders
Placio
We had a late night Uni talk similar to this... Who provides the ressurection at respawn points not connected to any cult? like portals, etc.. My proposal was that there are natural Atys respawns but the system has been copied/hijacked by higher powers to artificially create more spawn/teleport locations.

No, it's still the high powers. And they resurrect every homin because they need them. That's it.

That's what the higher powers say happens but how do we know they're telling the truth? It's not like religious cults tend to lie about the subject of their worship being able to perform miracles or anything...

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"Without contraries, there is no progression" - William Blake

#84 [fr] 

No. It's really always the high powers who is resurrecting homins.
Players characters can think it's not the high powers etc.... but the truth is what I say: always the high powers and they why they are doing it is because they need homins regardless of their alignment.
Maybe in the ranger background their is a corner case too. (as said previously Horongi's have been able to resurrect without the powers help ... but no-one else and this powerfull ability is NOT playable by players.)

#85 [fr] 

Sinvaders
No. It's really always the high powers who is resurrecting homins.
Players characters can think it's not the high powers etc.... but the truth is what I say: always the high powers and they why they are doing it is because they need homins regardless of their alignment.
Maybe in the ranger background their is a corner case too. (as said previously Horongi's have been able to resurrect without the powers help ... but no-one else and this powerfull ability is NOT playable by players.)

Is there any proof of it being this way besides "it's true because I said it's true"? I've read most of the existing lore and I don't remember any.

For all we know, there might be sources of magic capable of resurrecting Homins on Atys (not that far-fetched, considering most Homins can cast magic spells) that the higher powers have simply taken control of.

It could easily be that they need homins so they hijacked the resurrection magic and claim it to be their own. Of course, this is just my perspective, as I like the idea of them not being more sinister than they let on. Just saying we don't actually know whether the power to resurrect has always been exclusively theirs or not.

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Luminatrix

Explorer, storyteller, universalist, fighter for freedom and equality.

"Without contraries, there is no progression" - William Blake

#86 [en] 

Luminatrix
Is there any proof of it being this way besides "it's true because I said it's true"? I've read most of the existing lore and I don't remember any.
Yes, the Lore slash/ Lore Team.


Since you are marauder i think, you may want to ask them who's resurrecting marauder, you may be surprised to keep fighting Kami for example :P

Obviously, Homins do not have access to this information.

About Horongi's (which is composed of Marung and Nung)

If you want more detail here:
Nung Horongi
Marung Horongi
Tribe of the Witherings and Goo
ROLEPLAY - Dossier: Marung Horongi
Amber Cube of Nung Horongi

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#87 [en] 

Revvy
Luminatrix
Is there any proof of it being this way besides "it's true because I said it's true"? I've read most of the existing lore and I don't remember any.
Yes, the Lore slash/ Lore Team.


Since you are marauder i think, you may want to ask them who's resurrecting marauder, you may be surprised to keep fighting Kami for example :P

Obviously, Homins do not have access to this information.

About Horongi's (which is composed of Marung and Nung)

If you want more detail here:
Nung Horongi
Marung Horongi
Tribe of the Witherings and Goo
ROLEPLAY - Dossier: Marung Horongi
Amber Cube of Nung Horongi

I see. Thank you for this information, I genuinely had no idea, as I haven't seen any information on it in the normally accessible lore one can find without doing serious digging. It's a wasted opportunity to make the higher powers more interesting in my eyes, but oh well. I wouldn't go back to being Kami even if I found out they were the ones who resurrect me, however, as I had my reasons to leave the faction when I did, but that's a discussion for another time.

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Luminatrix

Explorer, storyteller, universalist, fighter for freedom and equality.

"Without contraries, there is no progression" - William Blake
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