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#1 [en] 

Rangers all and all neutral folk in Atys --

We (Phaedreas Tearss) were offered a chance to take over he Zo-Kian OP from Agan and the Shadowwalkers, to distribute the materials thereof to all, in a free and fair fashion. After a good deal of thought, Phaedreas Tears accepted. This is a little tricky because, well, we are a non PvP guild. (We will be attacking the NPCs.)

On behalf of Phaedreas Tears, Itzy declared on the Zo-Kian OP at 9:00 UTC yesterday. At 9:00 UTC today (12 June 2018) the handover will commence with Fleetwood, Zatarga, Crazyitzy and Itzy and myself(*) participating.

We would really appreciate it if other Rangers (and the guilds they are in) would come and help. Please wear your Ranger badge (title) if you have it. If you are neutral and want to see this happen, please attend as well.

Let the Rangers (and all homins on Atys) flourish.

--MacOd Bittty, Guild Leader, Phaedreas Tears.

(*) Due to the time and my time zone, I will be present only for the first hour. (It starts at 02:00 local for me.)
-- B.

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Remembering Tyneetryk
Phaedreas Tears - 13 years old and first(*) of true neutral guilds in Atys.
(*) This statement is contested, but we are certainly the longest lasting.
<clowns | me & you | jokers>

#2 Multilingual 

Bonne chance Bittty, 
puisse cet avant poste profiter à tous les homins d'Atys !
*offre un sac de cookies*

( HRP: je ne peux pas me co en journée )

Kiwa Lie
cheffe du cercle du bois d'Almati

#3 [en] 

(HRP/OOC)
[EN]Well, the OP bug struck again (or still, or something). The clock reset in a peculiar fashion, and the actual attack time is now 00:00 UTC 13 June.

We had a nice little turn-out (thank you very much to those who did turn out).

Those of you who can, please assemble at Zo-Kian about 10 minutes beforehand. (Yes, I know it's 2 A.M. CET and if you don't want to stay up that late, I totally understand.)

MacOd Bittty

[FR] Eh bien, le bug OP a encore frappé (ou encore, ou quelque chose comme ça). L'horloge est remise à zéro d'une manière particulière, et l'heure réelle de l'attaque est maintenant 00:00 UTC 13 juin.

Nous avons eu une belle petite participation (merci beaucoup à ceux qui ont participé).

Ceux d'entre vous qui le peuvent, veuillez vous réunir à Zo-Kian environ 10 minutes à l'avance. (Oui, je sais qu'il est 2 heures du matin et si vous ne voulez pas rester debout si tard, je comprends tout à fait.

MacOd Bittty

Traduit avec www.DeepL.com/Translator

Last edited by Bitttymacod (4 months ago)

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Remembering Tyneetryk
Phaedreas Tears - 13 years old and first(*) of true neutral guilds in Atys.
(*) This statement is contested, but we are certainly the longest lasting.
<clowns | me & you | jokers>

#4 [en] 

It will be midnight here which is past my bedtime but luck be with you and enjoy the 'battle'.

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Out of the Darkness, into the Light

#5 Multilingual 

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[FR]

Se dit que cette évènement allait faire couler beaucoup de sève.

il n'est pas bon de posséder une chose en espérant que d'autre assumeront la responsabilité de la défense...

Les préceptes auraient dus éviter cela...

Posséder un OP implique d'avoir fait couler la Sève...
...le conserver en demandera encore plus...

dire que Y ai quitter un Doy les Rangers car on me reprochait de n'être pas pacifiste....
...Y revient Al on appelle nos Tallai à verser leur sève pour défendre l'OP.
Des Rangers assumeront'ils la Sève gaspillée?

Pom est perplexe...

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Y syln Ubhal / Je suis Pomme
Y Teinh'Lir Zir Tor TRYKA!!! / Je combattrai toujours pour La Liberté!!!

#6 Multilingual 

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Nair-Pom --

I submit that I have indeed followed the Precepts and even my own vow against personal PvP. The Precepts do not forbid PvP, and indeed some Rangers indulge in Guild vs. Guild activities.

The Precepts
Memory - We honor the memory of Oflovak Rydon. : Not applicable except in that Oflovak performed his tasks for all homins.
Preservation - We preserve the Path for all homins: Not relevant.
Service - Discipline and duty give us strength. : The meditation on this one reminds us that homins working together can do things that homins alone cannot. I saw an opportunity for homins to work together and an opportunity for the Ranger and neutral community to decide for themselves what they wanted to do. The decision to accept the Outpost was made by consensus of all active members of PT. The member who had the greatest misgivings chose to stand neutral
Diligence - Never rest until the job is done: I failed this one (due to RL obligations). Others did not.
Tolerance - Other homins may believe and act as they wish. : That means that I am free to do that also. Agan and the members of the Kami Alliance were free to do what they wished.
Balance: Weigh consequences before acting: This I did. The circumstances and reactions did, in fact, proceed pretty much as I had expected (with some disappointments). The guild made its decision based upon considerations balancing the test of concept vs. potential negative consequences and reactions. We considered also Tyneetryk's legacy for PT. The consequences are still unfolding. We accept them.

As for defending the Outpost, read what I have said carefully.  I requested that Rangers and neutrals meet , "please," "We would appreciate it..".  We were not asking for people who came to defend the Outpost for US, but for themselves.

One of the rewards of being a Ranger is the ability to make a decision on such matters without being given an order.  Another reward is the freedom to debate what the "correct" interpretation of the Precepts is.  It is in that spirit of debate that I write the above response.

In sincere appreciation,

MacOd Bittty.

Last edited by Bitttymacod (4 months ago)

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Remembering Tyneetryk
Phaedreas Tears - 13 years old and first(*) of true neutral guilds in Atys.
(*) This statement is contested, but we are certainly the longest lasting.
<clowns | me & you | jokers>

#7 Multilingual 

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Pom opens the document carried to him by a very tired Izam...

she starts reading. The homin is sad.

she gets something to write on and starts writing:
Nair'Bitty

Y am sad because my goal was not to offend Sul nor to question Seyem's intentions.

Y exercises the trade of mercenary Al accordingly Y must make Ysem Tallai's sap flow. Which is not without triggering conflicts in me...

yem intention was only to emphasize that war is inevitable... It should also be added that this will force all Ranger companions to take a stand. Also, Y is no exception. Y don't think owning this OP is a good thing Tor Hominity. Also, Y refuses to pour the Tor Sap a Project where according to Y, there is nothing to gain.

Y hopes to be in error Al that the whole of hominity will federate Tor its greatest benefit around this OP.

Accept Yem LorDoy
that Mother Al the Father protects sulem road.

Pom

Last edited by Ubhal (4 months ago)

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Y syln Ubhal / Je suis Pomme
Y Teinh'Lir Zir Tor TRYKA!!! / Je combattrai toujours pour La Liberté!!!

#8 [en] 

I am just a lowly f2p, who has only been on Atys for a few years. If I am speaking out of term, my apologies.

Using an other world's comparison [ooc]D&D chaotic/neutral good alignment[/ooc], my direction in life has been freedom and flexibility, without being arbitrary and irresponsible, and aide where possible.
In another world [ooc]libertarianism[/ooc], my core principles are autonomy while choosing to help others.

To me, the very nature of a ranger requires to cull mobs when necessary for their own benefit, yet defend the innocent where possible.

As a Ranger, I am not sworn to pacifism.

I am to remember, preserve, service, diligence, tolerance, and balance. In all these the implied tension is there, which was there with Oflovak Rydon, and it will be there for us.

We are not asked or even suggested to roll over like a yubo waiting for the knife to cut our throats.  We can and should defend ourselves.

What teaching do we leave to the weak if we just roll over? Do we teach them that the only way is to be slaughtered? Look at all animals on our lands.

Even the weakest will stand up to giants and defend themselves when attacked.

I do not know the right answer to the OP situation as I am not privy to all the details.


[edit:spell, correction, clarification]

Edited 3 times | Last edited by Nudge (4 months ago)

#9 [en] 

Nudge, this is exactly how I thought back in my ranger days. Well I also thought of Babylon 5 rangers a bit ^^

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#10 [en] 

It is true, Rangers should not be pacifists.  Neither are we police.  We are sworn to protect homins; 

"The Rangers are forbidden to bear arms against any other homin, whatever their nation and belief except in self-defense. It is the same with stateless persons, or trytonistes marauders. The only few times permitted, it is in the friendly games. And yet, it has to treat or seek treatment competitor after the fight."

This at first seems self-contradictory, but seems to allow for participation in 'Friendly Games'.  I take this to mean Atysmas events etc. and perhaps duels but definitely not Outpost Battles.  There is an instruction to try to heal / res after the fight.

- The Pacifist would stand by while other Homins are being attacked
- The Police would intervene in disputes between Homins (like OP Battles) 

Neither of these is the role of the Ranger.

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Out of the Darkness, into the Light

#11 [en] 

Where did you find that quote (found it at https://en.wiki.ryzom.com/wiki/Rangers )  It is not part of what Wuaoi has been saying, in fact he has contradicted it on several occasions.  You should be aware that the Ranger page in the wiki is not canonical Lore, but generated by players, who may have their own agendas. 

Your statement that the Rangers are neither pacifists nor police, however, falls into my understanding of what Wuoai has said.

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Remembering Tyneetryk
Phaedreas Tears - 13 years old and first(*) of true neutral guilds in Atys.
(*) This statement is contested, but we are certainly the longest lasting.
<clowns | me & you | jokers>

#12 [en] 

How did the fight for the Zo-Kian Outpost go? In case you won, did you have to defend it since then?

[OOC]
Edit:
Never mind I just saw that there are more posts on the forum about this
[/OOC]

Last edited by Khalaoden (3 months ago)

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#13 [en] 

I've heard only rumors how rangers that were sitting on the OP got slaughtered. Most certainly the OP is under Kami control now.

Khalaoden
How did the fight for the Zo-Kian Outpost go? In case you won, did you have to defend it since then?

[OOC]
Edit:
Never mind I just saw that there are more posts on the forum about this
[/OOC]

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