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Patriots and Friends of the Empire,

As part of the investigation concerning Abycus Zekops and Thulam Cekaps’ deaths, I invite you on 11h - Quarta, Winderly 28, 3rd AC 2594 (*) to Pyr Agora to assist -and, for the akenak and some Patriots, to participate- to the interrogation of Euracus Cehus and Xinna Cekaps.

talen, akash, orak, rechten,
celiakos Xalis Perimenix,
in charge of the inquest

(*) [OOC] On Tuesday, 8 August 19:00:00 UTC (2 weeks ago) [/OOC]

Edited 3 times | Last edited by Beesjy (2 weeks ago) | Reason: (Event postponed -> date update)

#2 [fr] 

Would have liked to attend .... but timed perfectly to coincide w/ scheduled NPC Hunt ....

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#3 [en] 

The overlap between boss hunt and event was a slight one, nominally about 30 minutes as far as boss hunts are usually complete at 19.30 UTC and the event startet officially at 19.00 UTC. Normally, events practically never start completely timely, 10-15min delay are more the rule rather than the exception.

Moreover, the Tuesday hunt was particularly fast and ended already 19.15 UTC while the event was delayed by 30 minutes due to RL issues of the event guide. The announcement of the event and the delay was bit wanting, though.

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Daomei die Streunerin - religionsneutral, zivilisationsneutral, gildenneutral

#4 [fr] 

En même temps ceux qui participent au boss hunt s'en moquent du RP, donc qu'ils puissent pas être là, ça change pas grand chose.
Déjà que les chasses chancey sont une hérésie dans un MMORPG, il va pas falloir en plus décaler les event pour eux non?

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fyros pure sève
akash i orak, talen i rechten!

#5 [en] 

Fyrosfreddy
Would have liked to attend .... but timed perfectly to coincide w/ scheduled NPC Hunt ....

You choose. Your priority. And? Only kitins can be on all places in the same time :)

#6 [en] 

Moniq
You choose. Your priority. And? Only kitins can be on all places in the same time :)

Wait ... two events happen over the course of 120 hours and scheduling them at the same time is of no concern ?  The success of events is generally not measured by "how few people" show up.   If there was a plethora of events I can understand the "pick and choose thing" but two events over the course of a week ?

Yes, I am sure that there are people out there that only care about one or the other and one approach might be "It doesn't effect me so I don't care".  But is that what's best for game ?  What about the folks who do care ?.. do we care if they stay around ?   Why is it so hard to see this from the PoV of folks that were interested in both ?   My primary interests don't include these "talkie talkie" events but I did want to support the event team and guild members who were interested.   Think about it, if attendance remains poor, then staff time simply won't be allocated to this kind of activity.

I assumed that the scheduling was an oversight and goal was to bring attention to it so it in the future such oversights could be avoided ... but to say "yeah that's fine, no need to fix it" ... well all that approach will lead to is another poorly attended event.

Avoiding scheduling events so that they don't conflict with other events, which might draw away your audience, is one of the basic tenets of event planning.  Take note:

https://www.thebalance.com/five-event-planning-mistakes-to-avoid- 4053360

"Common Event Planning Mistakes to Avoid - Not Checking for Competing Events - "?   Only one event will draw the crowd ... Do your due diligence and check for any event conflicts before it is too late.  Look at schedules for industry gatherings (both large and small), proximity to holidays, major sporting events and local gatherings .... "

As for the "slight overlap", that is NOT an insignificant factor.  "Only a slight overlap" is like saying, yeah, you'll miss the 1st 30 minutes of the 90 minute movie .... but no big deal, it's only the entire basis for the rest of the story."

While it might not be for all, especialy inividuals or small guilds, for many active groups and guilds, this is when they also have regularly scheduled guild / group events ...  immediately after NPC Hunt such as mini Bosses, rewriting / posting MOTD w/ new dates, record keeping ...  it's also the time that many guilds have the most members on, and after the hunt is a time for filling craft requests, officer meetings, treks and other smaller group events.

It's really a simple concept ... If you want people to attend an event, minimize the competition.

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#7 [en] 

I remember a time where players looked at the event calendar to plan op and stuff like that to avoid collision ... Sadly a repeating event which is always the same taking place every 5 days is more than important than a one-time only event where a bunch of people worked hard to do something nice, and some people would like the event team schedule (which is already hard, see the 11 august event and many many many more events who were moved because of scheduling issue) to revolve around them to make events even more harder to plan

My 2cents

Last edited by Lopyrech (1 week ago)

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#8 [fr] 

*pousse les non rpistes dehors et regarde le ghost*
hey c'est quand la suite? car moi leur truc de gros bras je m'en fiche. Je veux voir ce que les vilains akenaks vont faire à la jolie xinna

+1 azaz et lopyrech:
depuis quand les anim doivent ils décalés des events officiels?
pourquoi pas décaller Nowel aussi car c'est pendant les vacances....
ah pourquoi pas repousser une attaque kittin à l'an prochain à cause d'op *ton sarcastique*

#9 [en] 

Umm -- Fyrosfreddy? 

Where is the NPC hunt listed as a repeating scheduled event? 

Answer: Nowhere that I know of.

Therefore I do not think that the event team can be faulted for trying to do an event on a weekday to interact with people who can't/don't do it on weekends. (I presume that was the idea behind doing it then.)

Perhaps the answer to the problem is to set up a Forum entry or other record that includes player-organized regular (and irregular) events so that if the event team decides to conflict with them it is with full knowledge of what is going on and if they decide not to conflict with them they can do so because they have knowledge.

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Remembering Tyneetryk
Phaedreas Tears - 12 years old and first(*) of true neutral guilds in Atys.
(*) This statement is contested, but we are certainly the longest lasting.
<clowns | me & you | jokers>

#10 [de] 

die termine des Hunts werden in der Ryzom-bosses app aufgeführt ;)

appzone 1976

Last edited by Remigra (6 days ago)

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"Decateis I Loke" "Necateis Atys Morhdeis"
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#11 [en] 

Bitttymacod
Umm -- Fyrosfreddy? 

Where is the NPC hunt listed as a repeating scheduled event? 

Answer: Nowhere that I know of.

Therefore I do not think that the event team can be faulted for trying to do an event on a weekday to interact with people who can't/don't do it on weekends. (I presume that was the idea behind doing it then.)

Ummm .... Correct Answer:

a)  IG App /appzone 1976
b)  Discord sends out reminders
c)  Guild MOTDs

Of course, this is a player scheduled event and if you are going to tell me that the Event Team doesn't know about an event that happens every 5 days for the past 5 years is something that the staff "doesn't know about", then there's  bigger problems than I had realized.   Ya can't blame the player base for not putting it on the Event Calendar since they have no access. 
Bitttymacod
Perhaps the answer to the problem is to set up a Forum entry or other record that includes player-organized regular (and irregular) events so that if the event team decides to conflict with them it is with full knowledge of what is going on and if they decide not to conflict with them they can do so because they have knowledge.

The answer to the problem,as you have described it, already exists and has existed for years.  I don't see how the In-Game App (and the website with which it is associated), doesn't meet each and every tenet of what you just decribed.

a)  The record has been set up
b)  it's easily accessible IG
c)  It's easily accessible on the Ryzom web site
d)  It's accessible to the Event Staff

Last edited by Fyrosfreddy (6 days ago)

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#12 [en] 

The answer to that is:
I don't use apps. I have never until now heard of that app.  I have never received any such notifications.  I play nearly every day when I am not on vacation.  If I have never heard of such things, I see no reason to expect every member of the event team to have heard of them.
Fyrosfreddy
a)  The record has been set up
b)  it's easily accessible IG
c)  It's easily accessible on the Ryzom web site
d)  It's accessible to the Event Staff

There is just one thing missing: Letting the player base (i.e. me) know this exists and reminding them on a periodic basis.  If I haven't heard of them, I cannot do anything but believe that there are many many others in my position.

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Remembering Tyneetryk
Phaedreas Tears - 12 years old and first(*) of true neutral guilds in Atys.
(*) This statement is contested, but we are certainly the longest lasting.
<clowns | me & you | jokers>

#13 [en] 

In general on Ryzom, official events take precedence over player events unless the event team in contact with the players decides otherwise, in which case a player initiated event may become an official one. Official events also take precedence over OP wars.

The reason is obvious: Official events usually require more or less programming and scripting effort and bind the limited ressources of the event team, and not seldom of the developers in addition.

And as long as I can recall (having been participating in NPC boss hunts already on Leanon) the boss hunts never claimed precedence over anything. I recall some boss hunts rescheduled due to official events. Much more frequently, reschedulings occured due to OP wars.

There is a simple reason for: It can never be guaranteed that a scheduled boss hunt will take place at all, and if so, whether it extends to all four bosses. The bosses fought are not reserved to the boss hunt party. In times when different parties competed for the bosses regularly, gentlemen agreements between the parties concerned were frequent, but it could happen anytime that the bosses were not present. Also, it may happen that the damage available is unsufficient to kill all of the bosses (e.g. Lixie or Pei as the most susceptible ones to lack of firepower).

As to the event in question, it is a multipart event, and the event at that time was part 5 of it. Those who had followed the course of the event were able to appraise whether or not they risked to miss a lot when coming later.

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Daomei die Streunerin - religionsneutral, zivilisationsneutral, gildenneutral

#14 [de] 

ach das war mir jetzt neu dao, das op kämpfe nicht stattfinden können, wenn events wie zb die adelsversammlung stattfindet ö.ö... ich kann mich erinnern, das sich das vor ca 1 jahr noch überschnitten hat, so das ich zur versammlung mit einem twink erscheinen musste und mit dem main char zum ginti gegangen bin Oo?

wenns jetzt nicht mehr geht, dann wäre das wirklich mal nett ^^ ist dann wenigstens dieser punkt in sachen op klicken zu eventzeiten ausgemertzt ^^

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"Decateis I Kamirac" "Necateis Sye Mideshye"
"Decateis I Loke" "Necateis Atys Morhdeis"
"I Nidran Sye Alede E Sye Neyde Ilya Necateis I Ulca"

"Liberi I`Margus"

_ Infographic-Team _

#15 [fr] 

Ein Missverständnis, Remigra. Wenn OP-Kämpfe während Events stattfinden, ist das bedauerlich, aber natürlich nicht verboten, das Event wird deswegen aber nicht abgesagt. Ich erinnere mich aber an heftige Kritik, als während des Atysmasevents OPs geclickt wurden.

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Daomei die Streunerin - religionsneutral, zivilisationsneutral, gildenneutral
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